Was Bamber's first shot into Sheila while she was asleep in bed ?

[Adam]

A poster on another forum suggested this happened.

If Sheila's first shot was a contact shot, resulting in any back splatter going into the silencer, rather than onto her bed, then it is certainly Bamber's best option.

The wound from the neck was probably a trickle rather than a waterfall. If Bamber carried an immobilised/asleep Sheila straight away, for around ten seconds,  the way a groom carries a bride, to the main bedroom, then that would not change the direction of the blood flow.

There is no reason why Sheila would wake prior to it being her turn. The rifle with the silencer on was virtually silent, while Neville and June had received an opening salvo of 11 bullets, some to the neck and jaw, so not able to make any noise.

The evidence supports Sheila being in bed until it was her turn, rather than waking and going into the main bedroom. There was no blood on Sheila's hands or feet. If woken she may have also gone into her sons bedroom, rather than the main bedroom.

Shooting Sheila in bed means Bamber could aim without resistance from her. The evidence shows Sheila put up no resistance. His first shot was well placed and did do a lot of damage to her. She was immobilised. 

Asleep and immobilised would mean Bamber could easily carry her a few feet to his chosen position.

RB's view that Bamber woke and persuaded Sheila to move to the main bedroom. Or the view that Sheila slept with June has always been inherently implausible. While waking her and leading her at gunpoint may prove problematic, as Bamber couldn't afford to shoot her to calm her down.

Bamber's second shot was obviously after Sheila had been moved to the main bedroom. After he realised the first shot had not killed her. My recent poll had everyone agreeing Bamber had no choice but to fire the second shot in his situation.

Do other people believe Sheila may have received her first shot in her bed ?

[Steve_uk]

A poster on another forum suggested this happened.

If Sheila's first shot was a contact shot, resulting in any back splatter going into the silencer, rather than onto her bed, then it is certainly Bamber's best option.

The wound from the neck was probably a trickle rather than a waterfall. If Bamber carried an immobilised/asleep Sheila straight away, for around ten seconds,  the way a groom carries a bride, to the main bedroom, then that would not change the direction of the blood flow.

There is no reason why Sheila would wake prior to it being her turn. The rifle with the silencer on was virtually silent, while Neville and June had received an opening salvo of 11 bullets, some to the neck and jaw, so not able to make any noise.

The evidence supports Sheila being in bed until it was her turn, rather than waking and going into the main bedroom. There was no blood on Sheila's hands or feet. If woken she may have also gone into her sons bedroom, rather than the main bedroom.

Shooting Sheila in bed means Bamber could aim without resistance from her. The evidence shows Sheila put up no resistance. His first shot was well placed and did do a lot of damage to her. She was immobilised. 

Asleep and immobilised would mean Bamber could easily carry her a few feet to his chosen position.

RB's view that Bamber woke and persuaded Sheila to move to the main bedroom. Or the view that Sheila slept with June has always been inherently implausible. While waking her and leading her at gunpoint may prove problematic, as Bamber couldn't afford to shoot her to calm her down.

Bamber's second shot was obviously after Sheila had been moved to the main bedroom. After he realised the first shot had not killed her. My recent poll had everyone agreeing Bamber had no choice but to fire the second shot in his situation.

Do other people believe Sheila may have received her first shot in her bed ?

I didn't know there was any blood spatter in Sheila's room. I would have thought Jeremy's plan would have been to kill her with one shot.

[susan]

I didn't know there was any blood spatter in Sheila's room. I would have thought Jeremy's plan would have been to kill her with one shot.

Steve I agree with you.

[Jane]

I didn't know there was any blood spatter in Sheila's room. I would have thought Jeremy's plan would have been to kill her with one shot.

Steve, it stands to reason, that if someone is planning a murder to look like a suicide, they're unlikely to WANT to make it look like a botched suicide.

[Adam]

I didn't know there was any blood spatter in Sheila's room. I would have thought Jeremy's plan would have been to kill her with one shot.

I agree. But he had no choice as the first shot didn't kill her.

This thread is about Bamber's first shot.

[Adam]

I doubt that there would be much splatter. It was a rifle for shooting vermin.

[Steve_uk]

I agree. But he had no choice as the first shot didn't kill her.

This thread is about Bamber's first shot.

But then she would be dead with one shot in her bedroom which forensics would then prove she had never left.

[Adam]

But then she would be dead with one shot in her bedroom which forensics would then prove she had never left.

Not if Bamber moved her into the main bedroom.

[Steve_uk]

Not if Bamber moved her into the main bedroom.

But then you're back to Sheila's blood being in her bed in her bedroom.

[Adam]

But then you're back to Sheila's blood being in her bed in her bedroom.

From where ? One shot in her neck from a rifle used for shooting vermin. If he carried her to the main bedroom straight away, there would be no blood on the sheets.

[Jane]

From where ? One shot in her neck from a rifle used for shooting vermin. If he carried her to the main bedroom straight away, there would be no blood on the sheets.

Jeremy may have "needed" to kill, but I don't believe it was for pleasure, nor was he a sadist. I'm just trying to imagine the excruciating pain of having ones neck shattered by a bullet, having blood flooding ons throat and being jarred by every step taken. I also wonder how there wouldn't have been, at least a blood trail from one bedroom to the other as one attempts to rid oneself of blood threatening to choke.

[lebaleb]

Why bother carrying her to the main bedroom?

[Jane]

Why bother carrying her to the main bedroom?

Valid point. Wasted effort, really.

[maggie]

Jeremy may have "needed" to kill, but I don't believe it was for pleasure, nor was he a sadist. I'm just trying to imagine the excruciating pain of having ones neck shattered by a bullet, having blood flooding ons throat and being jarred by every step taken. I also wonder how there wouldn't have been, at least a blood trail from one bedroom to the other as one attempts to rid oneself of blood threatening to choke.

I know I'm being repetitive but Sheila wouldn't have felt the pain, her body would have blocked it, it's a natural reaction to trauma but she would have instinctively been aware she was injured. She would have been stunned and disoriented and would guess that she would lose consciousness as her body diverted oxygen to her vital organs to protect her. I cannot see her being able to do anything if she regained conciousness but lie where she had fallen, maybe pick up the gun if within her reach but the effort of doing that would most likely cause loss of consciousness again.
Any attempt to manipulate herself to shoot again would most likely result in her dropping the rifle and a further loss of consciousness and without immediate medical care she would eventually have died as her body shut down.  I believe the second shot seems to have been for effect rather than necessity.

[Jane]

I know I'm being repetitive but Sheila wouldn't have felt the pain, her body would have blocked it, it's a natural reaction to trauma but she would have instinctively been aware she was injured. She would have been stunned and disoriented and would guess that she would lose consciousness as her body diverted oxygen to her vital organs to protect her. I cannot see her being able to do anything if she regained conciousness but lie where she had fallen, maybe pick up the gun if within her reach but the effort of doing that would most likely cause loss of consciousness again.
Any attempt to manipulate herself to shoot again would most likely result in her dropping the rifle and a further loss of consciousness and without immediate medical care she would eventually have died as her body shut down.  I believe the second shot seems to have been for effect rather than necessity.

Maggie, I'm not actually buying into the shot in her own bedroom thing. I see it as a way for Adam to push his theory of her being lifted and carried, which I don't buy into, either. I fail to see how it would have been possible, with neck bone and muscle traumatized by the first bullet, for her to lift the gun and aim it to take an accurate second shot. Like you, I think all the second shot did was to hasten the inevitable result of the first shot.