Forensic breakdown of Neville's beating. The possibility of it being Sheila.

[sami]

Hahaha sami that is not very democratic is it.  Where has freedom of choice gone.  You are convinced Jeremy Bamber is guilty some posters on here are equally convinced he is innocent they don't call you a doubter and many of them have been following the case longer than you and probably have more knowledge than you as you are quite new to the case.

sorry

[susan]

sorry

sami don't be sorry you are a nice person and like me post things without thinking too deeplyX

[sami]

I'm sure Adam will be pleased to know he has a supporter, but I feel his posts are more unlikely, than most, to change anyone's mind.

jane i feel in my opinion that a person who is 50 50 on this case might well change to believing jb is guilt after reading adams post and the evidence from the tria.he makes a good case.thats my opinion only mind.

[maggie]

jane i feel in my opinion that a person who is 50 50 on this case might well change to believing jb is guilt after reading adams post and the evidence from the tria.he makes a good case.thats my opinion only mind.

As much of what Adam writes as fact is simply his own opinion, I wouldn't feel happy for anyone to change their stance on such information. People should make their minds up considering the details and the facts, such as they are.  I cannot understand your reasoning, sorry. 

[Jane]

As much of what Adam writes as fact is simply his own opinion, I wouldn't feel happy for anyone to change their stance on such information. People should make their minds up considering the details and the facts, such as they are.  I cannot understand your reasoning, sorry.

Maggie, I was about to say that too much of what Adam says is influenced by his own opinions and coloured by glaring inaccuracies which he presents as "fact" This can be totally misleading. All the factual information necessary for genning up on the case can be found in Archives and Library. I can see, however, that anything said with enough sense of self and authority, will be very influential. We only have to recall the effect, on the police, of Jeremy's words re Sheila, outside WHF.

[Adam]

Well all the facts I post I have a source or several sources for. Once I put a rod on my own back by saying I could find 10 sources on one issue. There are now 20 !

I then give my opinion on the facts. Such as yesterday when on Nugs post. It is a fact that Neville was beaten. In my opinion he was not beaten after being killed by 8 shots.

[Jan]

Well all the facts I post I have a source or several sources for. Once I put a rod on my own back by saying I could find 10 sources on one issue. There are now 20 !

I then give my opinion on the facts. Such as yesterday when on Nugs post. It is a fact that Neville was beaten. In my opinion he was not beaten after being killed by 8 shots.

At least you have put IN YOUR OPINION . That is a step forward.

[sami]

Well all the facts I post I have a source or several sources for. Once I put a rod on my own back by saying I could find 10 sources on one issue. There are now 20 !

I then give my opinion on the facts. Such as yesterday when on Nugs post. It is a fact that Neville was beaten. In my opinion he was not beaten after being killed by 8 shots.

why beat someone who's already dead.why wasnt june and the twins beaten in the same way .she disliked june alot more than nevill.like any father he gave his daughter everything she wanted .why beat him.sheila did not give him any sort of beating while alive or dead.it was jb

[Jane]

Well all the facts I post I have a source or several sources for. Once I put a rod on my own back by saying I could find 10 sources on one issue. There are now 20 !

I then give my opinion on the facts. Such as yesterday when on Nugs post. It is a fact that Neville was beaten. In my opinion he was not beaten after being killed by 8 shots.

In all the time I've been here I don't believe anyone has ever seriously suggested he was, and this is the problem I have with your threads, many of which seem to suggest, as real possibilities, trivial and unimportant points - some of which you exaggerate as being forensic-  that no one but you has considered worthy of mention. Making it very clear that it is only your opinion is helpful.

[guest7363]

why beat someone who's already dead.why wasnt june and the twins beaten in the same way .she disliked june alot more than nevill.like any father he gave his daughter everything she wanted .why beat him.sheila did not give him any sort of beating while alive or dead.it was jb

Very good point Sami.

[Jan]

why beat someone who's already dead.why wasnt june and the twins beaten in the same way .she disliked june alot more than nevill.like any father he gave his daughter everything she wanted not being left w.why beat him.sheila did not give him any sort of beating while alive or dead.it was jb

IF Sheila was the murderer she could have been in the middle of an episode where she did not recognise any of her family as her family - so you could not apply logic to her actions

or there may have been a situation where she was severely depressed and thought that everyone would be better off without her and that included the twins being better off dead - could her father had said something that was in her eyes a betrayal because he was usually her ally ? Apparently June and Neville were thinking about fostering the twins themselves ? in her eyes that could have been a terrible thing to happen?

All of this is just supposition of course but I don't think everything can be made so black and white.

[Adam]

Good point Sami. I said the same thing yesterday. But no one said good point to me. Not even Jane J. Which upset me.

[Jan]

Good point Sami. I said the same thing yesterday. But no one said good point to me. Not even Jane J. Which upset me.

 

[sami]

IF Sheila was the murderer she could have been in the middle of an episode where she did not recognise any of her family as her family - so you could not apply logic to her actions

or there may have been a situation where she was severely depressed and thought that everyone would be better off without her and that included the twins being better off dead - could her father had said something that was in her eyes a betrayal because he was usually her ally ? Apparently June and Neville were thinking about fostering the twins themselves ? in her eyes that could have been a terrible thing to happen?

All of this is just supposition of course but I don't think everything can be made so black and white.

your quoting the words of a child killer .what proof have you got or seen that this was their plan .i would like to see it.the only one to tell that story was jb.complete rubbish.why didnt she see the other victims as devils and beat them also.

[Jane]

IF Sheila was the murderer she could have been in the middle of an episode where she did not recognise any of her family as her family - so you could not apply logic to her actions

or there may have been a situation where she was severely depressed and thought that everyone would be better off without her and that included the twins being better off dead - could her father had said something that was in her eyes a betrayal because he was usually her ally ? Apparently June and Neville were thinking about fostering the twins themselves ? in her eyes that could have been a terrible thing to happen?

All of this is just supposition of course but I don't think everything can be made so black and white.

Jan, I went through all of those possibilities. They were just suppositions. We have NO idea of what, if any, conversation transpired that evening. There are many conflicting reports about Sheila's behaviour but I don't believe any were conducive to her committing murder. Like you, I don't believe most things in terms of being black or white. I also find myself wondering, if the decision had been arrived at that Sheila had been responsible, whether MORE people would be wondering if it had been Jeremy who was responsible.