Anglolawyer's theory

[Caroline]

knowing that a murder is going to be comited and failing to inform the police is a crime anyway.

But she hasn't admitted to KNOWING that it WOULD be committed.

[lookout]

Nobody in their right mind,and no matter how deep the feelings for a person are,could befriend a murderer let alone sleep with him knowing that he murdered 5 people. JM may have been called all manner of things but I draw the line when it comes to her having believed that he carried out the murders and this is why I say that she knows he's innocent.
JM was heavily influenced by others,especially the law.

[Caroline]

Nobody in their right mind,and no matter how deep the feelings for a person are,could befriend a murderer let alone sleep with him knowing that he murdered 5 people. JM may have been called all manner of things but I draw the line when it comes to her having believed that he carried out the murders and this is why I say that she knows he's innocent.
JM was heavily influenced by others,especially the law.

Lots of people would do exactly that if they thought it worth their while.

[lookout]

The " pay-off " was surreptitiously thrown in as a sweetner too. What young lady would have refused such a payment ?
What we don't know is if it was discussed pre-trial to give more clout to EP.

[lookout]

Lots of people would do exactly that if they thought it worth their while.

But how long before trial would she have known ?

[Caroline]

She assisted by backing up his story about the phone calls, while knowing the truth, thereby corroborating his false account of events.

That's fair enough but she did eventually go to the police and assisted them - without her they may have had no case. I think Nugs is talking about pre-murders though, not post.

[Caroline]

But how long before trial would she have known ?

Well, given that Jeremy told her immediately after - she knew from then.

[notsure]

I agree lookout  and furthermore i dont believe jb would have let her get away with it if she was an accomplish. If the evidence was that stacked against him and his lawyers knew that he would have told them about her involvement.

One thing i read recently was that you had to meet jb to know hes guilty and thats sort of stuck with me so maybe its his personality thats not allowing me to see his guilt.

i was reading his interviews yesterday and i couldnt make my mind up if he was just being cocky or just amazed at being in that position . I felt i could hear him sighing as if to say for gods sake you surely cant believe that i killed them can you. On the otherhand he didnt seem to be trying very hard in those interviews to make them believe him and i found that odd. If he was tryig to protect himself he should have said no comment but it seeseemed he was quite happy to answer all tbe questions which imo was the wrong thi g to do if guilty.

[Anglolawyer]

That's fair enough but she did eventually go to the police and assisted them - without her they may have had no case. I think Nugs is talking about pre-murders though, not post.

Ah, OK.   

Imagine for a moment that the cops had not been so stupid and had actually done some real detective wrk such that, by the time Julie stepped forward, they already had enough on JB not to need her.   In that scenario, I suspect her experience may have bee radically different and that she may have found herself in the dock beside him.   As you say, without her, they had no case.   Even with her and a highly favourable summing up they only got home by 10-2.   They needed her alright.   She was a very, very lucky person who stared into the abyss and withdrew just in time.

[lookout]

Well, given that Jeremy told her immediately after - she knew from then.

I meant about it having been worthwhile-cashwise.

[lookout]

Bribery and corruption. JM wasn't going to say no to having her slate wiped clean at the offer of a few thousand is she ? This was more her train of thought more than the case itself I bet.

[notsure]

Also anglolawyer , it u can get your hands on the trial transcripts i would like to see them too. Please !!!

[Caroline]

Ah, OK.   

Imagine for a moment that the cops had not been so stupid and had actually done some real detective wrk such that, by the time Julie stepped forward, they already had enough on JB not to need her.   In that scenario, I suspect her experience may have bee radically different and that she may have found herself in the dock beside him.   As you say, without her, they had no case.   Even with her and a highly favourable summing up they only got home by 10-2.   They needed her alright.   She was a very, very lucky person who stared into the abyss and withdrew just in time.

I agree - they 'could' have both ended up in the same boat!

[lookout]

I agree lookout  and furthermore i dont believe jb would have let her get away with it if she was an accomplish. If the evidence was that stacked against him and his lawyers knew that he would have told them about her involvement.

One thing i read recently was that you had to meet jb to know hes guilty and thats sort of stuck with me so maybe its his personality thats not allowing me to see his guilt.

i was reading his interviews yesterday and i couldnt make my mind up if he was just being cocky or just amazed at being in that position . I felt i could hear him sighing as if to say for gods sake you surely cant believe that i killed them can you. On the otherhand he didnt seem to be trying very hard in those interviews to make them believe him and i found that odd. If he was tryig to protect himself he should have said no comment but it seeseemed he was quite happy to answer all tbe questions which imo was the wrong thi g to do if guilty.

The thing is,Notsure,Jeremy was brought up in an era when there were no such things as " rights " so therefore when he gave his interviews he was " matter of fact " in all he said without the need to go off on a tangent shouting and stamping his feet about his rights etc. There was no need to put emphasis on anything when he was telling the truth. He's remained diplomatic at all times and this is his way and probably the way his father was as a magistrate. I would think that Jeremy has thought a lot of how his father would have reacted in the same situation and because he doesn't display any outbursts or outpourings of " poor me " is what people can't understand.
" Cockiness " can also indicate that he's sure of himself,which I can understand and not the cheekiness that it's being mistaken for.

The reason his answers just flowed off his tongue was that he was being truthful and didn't know any different other than to answer with the truth.
If he knew then as he obviously knows now he wouldn't have uttered a word knowing how it can and is twisted. I feel damn sorry for him as what could be worse than knowing that you're telling the truth and nobody's listening.

[maggie]

Maggie I'd have put JM's behaviour down to the fact that he was wholly innocent and she knew that. This was pure spite at its worst but I don't believe that she'd realised that the case would go as far as it did and it was too late to retract what she'd already said. Some people can live with that.

I would have agreed with you at one time Lookout but Julie has always bothered me, if she was capable of doing such a dreadful thing as to take a man's life away from him she was a very nasty individual.
Why has JB never spoken out about her and accused her of doing such a thing?  It's like a gap in his behaviour that you wouldn't expect, he was furious with Colin for believing he was guilty but still not a word against Julie... why?  All I have heard is him saying she shouldn't have done that which is a strange comment against someone who has lied and sent him to prison for life.
I believe he didn't accuse Julie because to prove it he would have had to admit his own guilt when he obviously copes by believing sometime, somewhere, somehow he will find a way of getting out of prison.  If he admits he did it he's there til he dies and he will have lost the struggle which probably keeps him going and his life would be in danger as a child killer, while he denies it he is probably safe enough.