Who has more rights thirty years on: Jeremy or Colin?

[Caroline]

SRN's observe patients to look for any changes and report their findings. What do you think they do ? These changes are then reported to the ward sister who decides the next move.
No,I didn't know Sheila, much the same as you didn't know or meet Jeremy but it doesn't stop you from passing unfounded remarks about him ? Only what you've also read " second-hand, but I've nursed women who had depressive or psychotic illnesses whose medications changed like the weather according to their tolerance of it.

You didn't observe THIS patient and the difference between me and you Lookout is that I asked Jeremy about the case and gained quite a lot from that whereas you chose not to ask. So I'm 100% ahead on your communication with Sheila!

You more than anyone should KNOW that each and every patient is unique and you should NEVER generalise.

[Caroline]

Yes Jane, but five minutes was enough for me. The first case was that of a tough-looking young woman with a pierced tongue who had killed her male employer in a sex game,and when they said this wasn't the first time she'd killed I switched off..

I had to admit after I recovered, thinking about Jeremy he didn't fit that category of killer at all.

Brian Blackwell was/is also a psychopath, he killed his parents then went on holiday with his girlfriend - he is in no way the same kind of killer as Joanne Dennehy, who killed because she wanted to see someone die. Psychopaths don't all have the same motivations - they are all different in that respect, they just lack empathy and inhibition which makes it easier for them to kill if need be (and yes, I know not ALL psychopaths kill). Like I said to Lookout, it's hard to generalise and also unwise.

[lookout]

You didn't observe THIS patient and the difference between me and you Lookout is that I asked Jeremy about the case and gained quite a lot from that whereas you chose not to ask. So I'm 100% ahead on your communication with Sheila!

You more than anyone should KNOW that each and every patient is unique and you should NEVER generalise.

I'm well aware that every person/patient is different as is their tolerance or intolerance to the same drugs for the same illness.
It's not ME who generalises !

[notsure]

Caroline ive noted from several of your comments hthat you have spojen to jb. I presume you got to know him quite well.

Am i right in thinking that he couldnt answer some of the questions you asked him which led you to start doubting him.

i would be really interested to hear from you what those conversations were like and what you got from them.

[Jane]

Yes Jane, but five minutes was enough for me. The first case was that of a tough-looking young woman with a pierced tongue who had killed her male employer in a sex game,and when they said this wasn't the first time she'd killed I switched off..

I had to admit after I recovered, thinking about Jeremy he didn't fit that category of killer at all.

Well, for a start, she was female. Jeremy is male. The link between them would seem to be power and control. Certainly Jeremy took low paid, unskilled jobs. With no qualifications, he had no choice, however, because he could talk the talk and walk the walk, he'd have been able to impress his work colleagues who were probably less advantaged than was he. He could be the big fish in the puddle rather than the tiddler in the tide. I thought the programme made perfectly clear that Jeremy had the requisite traits of a psychopath.   

[Caroline]

I'm well aware that every person/patient is different as is their tolerance or intolerance to the same drugs for the same illness.
It's not ME who generalises !

On THAT we will have to agree to disagree but on diagnosing Sheila, there is nothing to suggest that it was incorrect or that her medication wasn't working to stop psychosis.

[lookout]

As for me not having asked Jeremy anything, I'm going to make up for lost time by writing a letter to send with his Christmas card ( I received his card this morning ) and ask him questions that I've asked on here and been totally ignored. Perhaps he'll have more manners.

[Steve_uk]

Well, for a start, she was female. Jeremy is male. The link between them would seem to be power and control. Certainly Jeremy took low paid, unskilled jobs. With no qualifications, he had no choice, however, because he could talk the talk and walk the walk, he'd have been able to impress his work colleagues who were probably less advantaged than was he. He could be the big fish in the puddle rather than the tiddler in the tide. I thought the programme made perfectly clear that Jeremy had the requisite traits of a psychopath.   

You may be right Jane;I was making a snap judgement on five minutes' viewing.

[Caroline]

As for me not having asked Jeremy anything, I'm going to make up for lost time by writing a letter to send with his Christmas card ( I received his card this morning ) and ask him questions that I've asked on here and been totally ignored. Perhaps he'll have more manners.

Good for you! Perhaps he's the only one that CAN answer your questions.

[Jane]

You may be right Jane;I was making a snap judgement on five minutes viewing.

Steve, I have to agree that the Joanne Dennehy case was horrendous. I struggled to get through that part. The last case was about a very good looking, erudite and charming young man. An accomplished liar, naturally, as a video of him selling himself on a dating site, proved. He kidnapped, raped and murdered -his "thing" was about control (does it ring any bells?) and is thought to have been responsible for killing Suzy Lamplaugh.

[Steve_uk]

Steve, I have to agree that the Joanne Dennehy case was horrendous. I struggled to get through that part. The last case was about a very good looking, erudite and charming young man. An accomplished liar, naturally, as a video of him selling himself on a dating site, proved. He kidnapped, raped and murdered -his "thing" was about control (does it ring any bells?) and is thought to have been responsible for killing Suzy Lamplaugh.

Yes he killed Shirley Banks as well I think.

[maggie]

SRN's observe patients to look for any changes and report their findings. What do you think they do ? These changes are then reported to the ward sister who decides the next move.
No,I didn't know Sheila, much the same as you didn't know or meet Jeremy but it doesn't stop you from passing unfounded remarks about him ? Only what you've also read " second-hand, but I've nursed women who had depressive or psychotic illnesses whose medications changed like the weather according to their tolerance of it.

Hi Lookout. I do agree that back in the old regime trained SRN's knew the patients on their ward inside out and even the doctors agreed this was the case. 
Not sure if it was still the same by the mid 80s and certainly it is very different now.  The interaction between staff and patients has pretty much disappeared, sadly.

[Jane]

Yes he killed Shirley Banks as well I think.

Yes, he did, Steve. I'd forgotten her name.

[Caroline]

Hi Lookout. I do agree that back in the old regime trained SRN's knew the patients on their ward inside out and even the doctors agreed this was the case. 
Not sure if it was still the same by the mid 80s and certainly it is very different now.  The interaction between staff and patients has pretty much disappeared, sadly.

Hi Maggie, I have no doubt that this was the case, however, SRN or not, there is no way that anyone can claim to know that Sheila's diagnosis was incorrect or that she was incorrectly medicated without having some inside knowledge of her medical state. The nurses on the wards  were clearly familiar with the patients in their care and that's why they were at an advantage.

[maggie]

Steve, I have to agree that the Joanne Dennehy case was horrendous. I struggled to get through that part. The last case was about a very good looking, erudite and charming young man. An accomplished liar, naturally, as a video of him selling himself on a dating site, proved. He kidnapped, raped and murdered -his "thing" was about control (does it ring any bells?) and is thought to have been responsible for killing Suzy Lamplaugh.

I saw that Jane, it did seem familiar to me.