Neville's call to Jeremy. A 1% likelihood ?

[Jan]

That does look like a teddy.

Seems strange to me that a 27 year old woman would sleep with her mother and father. Would rather sleep in my own bed to be honest.

Thought Sheila and June didn't get along.

Do you not comprehend relationships within a family ? You say Jeremy had not spoken to his mother for years - but he was a regular visitor to the farmhouse and a share holder in their businesses at age 24.

June helped out Sheila all the time - but yes they had their UPS and DOWNs - that is what happens in families some times . Colin describes happy family times and unhappy family times - I think that is quite normal . Colin is someone who knew the family and if there is a book you should read perhaps that is one that might give you some insight.

If Sheila was depressed while she was in the house then perhaps she did turn to her parents? Perhaps she found them controlling ? Perhaps she found her mother interfering and judgemental at times but there are happy family photos as well. Nothing is so black and white.

[maggie]

Sheila was protective of the twins so I don't see in this scenario why she didn't enter their room via the connecting door. From Julie's statement Jeremy told her Sheila was shot last and this still makes more sense to me.

If she was shot once in the neck and then finished off later, she may not have got any further than the side of the bed even if her intent was to get to the twins???

[susan]

I agree with you, I do believe he was telling the truth and it was Nevill's bear but I don't believe he would have slept with it which makes me wonder why it was there and why Sheila was there and one explanation for that was that Sheila was sleeping with the bear in that bed.
If Jeremy was the killer and was surprised to find Sheila in bed with June instead of Nevill his plan would have been ruined but he had no option but to shoot them and deal with Nevill as quickly as possible but he has to go along with the story that June and Nevill were in the bed with the teddy even though he knows differently.... if you see what I mean.   

Maggie
none of it makes sense to me why did Sheila not climb into bed with one of her boys and why did the bed in Sheila's room not have the covers back like somebody was sleeping in that bed I know it was August but Ralph would have required some covers over him.

[Jan]

Maggie Colin stated in his book that had Sheila committed suicide she would have done it in her boys room so they would all be together so it was not necessary for her to be found in the main bedroom infact she could have been found in her own bedroom.

But if she was capable of killing her own sons I don't think a logic like that can be applied to be honest. She stated that she felt she was a threat to her own sons and I don't want to repeat the reason why - so I don't think that killing herself I the same room would have occurred to her.

It depends whether she was actually seeing them as her sons ?

 

[maggie]

Maggie
none of it makes sense to me why did Sheila not climb into bed with one of her boys and why did the bed in Sheila's room not have the covers back like somebody was sleeping in that bed I know it was August but Ralph would have required some covers over him.

I agree it's only supposition and I have no idea where Nevill was but that teddy makes me wonder ....

[Jan]

But if she was capable of killing her own sons I don't think a logic like that can be applied to be honest. She stated that she felt she was a threat to her own sons and I don't want to repeat the reason why - so I don't think that killing herself I the same room would have occurred to her.

It depends whether she was actually seeing them as her sons ?

Also I would like to add that I bet that none of the family including Jeremy were aware of her feelings about her sons - otherwise they never would have let her look after them ever . That was confidential between her and her medical team . so I don't get how Jeremy thought it would be so easy to get everyone to accept that she had killed her own children .

[Jan]

That does look like a teddy.

Seems strange to me that a 27 year old woman would sleep with her mother and father. Would rather sleep in my own bed to be honest.

Thought Sheila and June didn't get along.

WE NEVER SAID SHE SLEPT THERE.

[maggie]

But if she was capable of killing her own sons I don't think a logic like that can be applied to be honest. She stated that she felt she was a threat to her own sons and I don't want to repeat the reason why - so I don't think that killing herself I the same room would have occurred to her.

It depends whether she was actually seeing them as her sons ?

Jan, I agree if Sheila killed in a psychotic episode whether frenzied or not her mind would have been distorted, no one can believe she was in her right mind when she killed her boys therefore as you say she wouldn't have behaved rationally at all so it's pointless looking for rational behaviour.

[Jan]

WE NEVER SAID SHE SLEPT THERE.

sorry I resorted to capitals ( shouting ) which I hate .

Other things going on in my life , a moment where my self control slipped.

[maggie]

sorry I resorted to capitals ( shouting ) which I hate .

Other things going on in my life , a moment where my self control slipped.

Very honest of you Jan, sometimes my finger just slips 

[susan]

But if she was capable of killing her own sons I don't think a logic like that can be applied to be honest. She stated that she felt she was a threat to her own sons and I don't want to repeat the reason why - so I don't think that killing herself I the same room would have occurred to her.

It depends whether she was actually seeing them as her sons ?

Jan I can see where you are coming from and we have always said on here we all see things so differently depending on who we think was responsible but I respect your point of view and you could of course be right and me totally wrong as I struggle trying to fit the pieces together.

[Jan]

Jan, I agree if Sheila killed in a psychotic episode whether frenzied or not her mind would have been distorted, no one can believe she was in her right mind when she killed her boys therefore as you say she wouldn't have behaved rationally at all so it's pointless looking for rational behaviour.

I had always thought that , but also there is the possibility like a recent case where she was so depressed that she felt she would be abandoning them if she did not take them with her . Perhaps she was on her way back to their room when something happened that made her think she had to commit suicide at that moment .

[susan]

sorry I resorted to capitals ( shouting ) which I hate .

Other things going on in my life , a moment where my self control slipped.

Jan we know you would never shout at us deliberately you are too nice for that

[Jane]

WE NEVER SAID SHE SLEPT THERE.

He does it deliberately, Jan. Plays thick to wind people up. It's a mask to cover his refusal to accept any theory other than his own.

[Jan]

Jan I can see where you are coming from and we have always said on here we all see things so differently depending on who we think was responsible but I respect your point of view and you could of course be right and me totally wrong as I struggle trying to fit the pieces together.

to be honest I just like a good debate and like to see both sides - but there are plenty of guilters at the moment so I like to provide a balance .

I still though have not seen one probable (99% ) scenario how Sheila would allow herself to be shot in that way/ in that position  with no resistance or defensive action- logically or purely animal instinct. And if she had fought back or even put her hands up in human reaction his whole plan would have fallen to pieces and been destroyed - what was he back up plan then?