The 3am telephone call. What was said ?

[Caroline]

That's incorrect. You know that his confirmation related to a specific question and that he was badgered into it. He didn't say he knew his first statement was correct from its content - he was saying that it would have been correct because it was made shortly after the events described. During the same interrogation, he confirmed that some details in his first statement were incorrect. For example, he confirmed he looked up the number for Chelmsford police station, but his first statement said he called that station immediately, making no mention of looking up its number.

So you think it's fair comment for him not to know if he simply looked up a number or whether he physically called it? Seriously? You're highlighting the fact that he was confused by what he'd said - obviously because he didn't actually do those things he was simply trying to 'get his story straight' but couldn't remember what he had originally said - because he was LYING!

[Reader]

If anything screams guilty, it's the phone call myth.

If it's a myth..., but you haven't established that Jeremy made it up. If he made it up, why didn't he ensure he gave a plausible account that he could stick to?

Remember that initially Bamber said that he called the police BEFORE he called Julie. He initially said he was called by Nevill just after 3.

Neither I nor you can remember those things, as we weren't there. On the other hand, in his interview transcripts, he initially stated that he called Julie before he called the police.

In order to appear reasonable he then claimed that he called Julie before heading for the farm.

What are you referring to and how can you possibly know that his motive was to appear reasonable?

He told Ann that this call lasted 11 minutes because he timed it on his watch.

There is no proof of that. It (11 minutes) isn't consistent with the police evidence.

He wasn't in bed. He answered his phone in his kitchen.

How do you know? Did he have only one telephone? Jeremy has consistently maintained that Nevill rang him and that this call woke him up.

There was much argument in court over the order of the calls with Julie's housemates saying they were woken nearer to 3, not 3.30...

You haven't quoted such argument. What proof do you have that anyone was specifically asked in court whether Jeremy's call was nearer to 3am than to 3:30am? It was Julie who had given the time of about 3:30, whereas Jeremy had given "about 3:25am" in his statement.

A few years ago in an interview with a newspaper Bamber moved the time to 3.15

Where can I see proof of this, including Jeremy's exact words?

If he called at 3.36, took 11mins on the phone and 7 mins to get there...it doesn't work...

You are trying to combine the time recorded by Pc West with an unverified assertion of a duration of 11 minutes that is inconsistent with Pc West's evidence in court. You seem to be attacking the prosecution evidence rather than Jeremy's account.

[scipio_usmc]

That's incorrect. You know that his confirmation related to a specific question and that he was badgered into it. He didn't say he knew his first statement was correct from its content - he was saying that it would have been correct because it was made shortly after the events described. During the same interrogation, he confirmed that some details in his first statement were incorrect. For example, he confirmed he looked up the number for Chelmsford police station, but his first statement said he called that station immediately, making no mention of looking up its number.

Your spin is simply pathetic.

Jeremy lied in his statements and he wanted to see what lies he put in his statements so he would not contradict them.  Police would not show him so he said he stood by whatever he put in his statements.

 

[Jane]

If it's a myth..., but you haven't established that Jeremy made it up. If he made it up, why didn't he ensure he gave a plausible account that he could stick to?
Neither I nor you can remember those things, as we weren't there. On the other hand, in his interview transcripts, he initially stated that he called Julie before he called the police.
What are you referring to and how can you possibly know that his motive was to appear reasonable?
There is no proof of that. It (11 minutes) isn't consistent with the police evidence.
How do you know? Did he have only one telephone? Jeremy has consistently maintained that Nevill rang him and that this call woke him up.
You haven't quoted such argument. What proof do you have that anyone was specifically asked in court whether Jeremy's call was nearer to 3am than to 3:30am? It was Julie who had given the time of about 3:30, whereas Jeremy had given "about 3:25am" in his statement.
Where can I see proof of this, including Jeremy's exact words?
You are trying to combine the time recorded by Pc West with an unverified assertion of a duration of 11 minutes that is inconsistent with Pc West's evidence in court. You seem to be attacking the prosecution evidence rather than Jeremy's account.

You ask how we know his motive was to make reasonable sound what he said!!!! I can't seriously believe you ask that question!!! Surely the first requisite of a liar is to make statements which are plausible and believable.

[Caroline]

If it's a myth..., but you haven't established that Jeremy made it up. If he made it up, why didn't he ensure he gave a plausible account that he could stick to?

Because he's not as clever as you imagine him to be!

Neither I nor you can remember those things, as we weren't there. On the other hand, in his interview transcripts, he initially stated that he called Julie before he called the police.

Then he changed it because he knew it looked bad - he now maintains that he called the police first. The fact that he switched from one to the other should sound warning bells - its an aspect he should remember because it's part of a sequence!

What are you referring to and how can you possibly know that his motive was to appear reasonable?

Because it's obvious that calling Julie first looks suspicious! ESPECIALLY when he became a suspect.

There is no proof of that. It (11 minutes) isn't consistent with the police evidence.

He did say the call lasted around 10 minutes and none of Jeremy's story about the phone call is consistent with police evidence!

How do you know? Did he have only one telephone? Jeremy has consistently maintained that Nevill rang him and that this call woke him up.

Errrr yes, he had only one telephone! But as there was no call, he wasn't in bed.

You haven't quoted such argument. What proof do you have that anyone was specifically asked in court whether Jeremy's call was nearer to 3am than to 3:30am? It was Julie who had given the time of about 3:30, whereas Jeremy had given "about 3:25am" in his statement.

And others, that it was MUCH sooner.

Where can I see proof of this, including Jeremy's exact words?

I'm sure it will be on the OS.

You are trying to combine the time recorded by Pc West with an unverified assertion of a duration of 11 minutes that is inconsistent with Pc West's evidence in court. You seem to be attacking the prosecution evidence rather than Jeremy's account.

No, Jeremy now states that he called the police at 03:36 to fit in  a call from Nevill and he also suggested that he was on the phone for around 10 minutes. If you think that's BS, then you best tell Jeremy he's got it wrong and if you think he's got it wrong - you're backing the wrong side! 

[lookout]

Jeremy's wit stat says he received the call from his father at ABOUT 03.10 am.
He phoned JM at ABOUT 03.25 am.
Then phoned JM again at ABOUT 05.45 am.

[Caroline]

Jeremy's wit stat says he received the call from his father at ABOUT 03.10 am.
He phoned JM at ABOUT 03.25 am.
Then phoned JM again at ABOUT 05.45 am.

So he called Julie before the police 

[lookout]

So he called Julie before the police 

Does it really matter ? He obviously wanted her opinion on what he should do as neither Sheila nor Jeremy ever stood on their own two feet when it came to decisions. It's easy enough to work out when you had parents who worked out everything for you,and fetched and carried you,the kids grow up senseless and not knowing what to do in times of desperation,therefore taking things in their stride, and asking others.   

[Jane]

Does it really matter ? He obviously wanted her opinion on what he should do as neither Sheila nor Jeremy ever stood on their own two feet when it came to decisions. It's easy enough to work out when you had parents who worked out everything for you,and fetched and carried you,the kids grow up senseless and not knowing what to do in times of desperation,therefore taking things in their stride, and asking others.

So how was he able to cope when he was doing his long haul trips? As guess is, he was glad to be free of parental restriction.

[lookout]

So how was he able to cope when he was doing his long haul trips? As guess is, he was glad to be free of parental restriction.

He'd have coped marvellously with his trips. Time at last to think for himself.

[Jane]

He'd have coped marvellously with his trips. Time at last to think for himself.

Easy to see then how he might have decided that he'd like to be permanently free of those who would do his thinking for him.

[lookout]

Easy to see then how he might have decided that he'd like to be permanently free of those who would do his thinking for him.

Oh I don't think so. Killing would have been the last thing on his mind,but it was certainly on that of his sister.

[Jane]

Oh I don't think so. Killing would have been the last thing on his mind,but it was certainly on that of his sister.

If you're saying that Sheila was contemplating murdering her parents and children whilst Jeremy was doing long haul, I can only believe it to be a wind up. Should it not be can you please clarify whether it's only in your imagination OR in documentary evidence.

[lookout]

If you're saying that Sheila was contemplating murdering her parents and children whilst Jeremy was doing long haul, I can only believe it to be a wind up. Should it not be can you please clarify whether it's only in your imagination OR in documentary evidence.

No---------you've read it wrong. I didn't say " while Jeremy was doing long haul ".I referred to that she had murder in mind while Jeremy didn't. Nothing to do with long-haul at the same time.In the same breath.

[Jane]

No---------you've read it wrong. I didn't say " while Jeremy was doing long haul ".I referred to that she had murder in mind while Jeremy didn't. Nothing to do with long-haul at the same time.In the same breath.

But no one has come forward to say that she had murder in mind, whereas in Jeremy's case............