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Offline scipio_usmc

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I have a chart, Eley .22 subsonic bullets, weighed 35 grain, or 2.27 grams, Ralph never purchased .22LR bullets, you have been provided with the gun dealers records, and sale invoice. Where does it mention that Ralph Bamber purchased Eley .22LR subsonic hollow point bullets on the 30th November 1984? You are manipulating the facts to support your false arguments, sort yourself out...

A chart from where?  I posted the chart from Eley itself.  I looked at the product manual from Eley from 1984 and it matched the chart they currently list.  Eley reps said that their 22LR subsonic HP has always been 40 grain. All oldstock ammunition made by Eley available for sale is 40 grain.  There are no references on the web or in any book let alone any product manual for 35 grain.  Your chart was made up by someone- probably you. It clearly is not from Eley.
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DRH/5 weighed in at 37.4 and was classed as a solid bullet.  ;D

who created the chart? 
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A chart from where?  I posted the chart from Eley itself.  I looked at the product manual from Eley from 1984 and it matched the chart they currently list.  Eley reps said that their 22LR subsonic HP has always been 40 grain. All oldstock ammunition made by Eley available for sale is 40 grain.  There are no references on the web or in any book let alone any product manual for 35 grain.  Your chart was made up by someone- probably you. It clearly is not from Eley.

It's an official chart, Eley .22 subsonic manufacturers bullet weight, 2.27 grams (just fractionally under 35 grain), now seems like you have got your facts wrong again...
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who created the chart?

I believe that the chart was reproduced by "THE MANCHESTER McKENSIE ORGANISATION", when they took a deep interest in the case...
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who created the chart?

SOC officer Malcolm Fletcher.

I think the weight of the bullets were about 2.7 ??????? Someone found a chart from the internet, I thought we had the size and weight in the archives....I am sure it was less than 40.


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Did the end of a sound moderator, or the muzzle end of a rifles barrel, make these gouge marks upon Ralphs arm?
« Last Edit: April 26, 2015, 09:58:PM by mike tesko »
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It's an official chart, Eley .22 subsonic manufacturers bullet weight, 2.27 grams (just fractionally under 35 grain), now seems like you have got your facts wrong again...

An official chart from Eley?  If that is your claim then you are just lying again.  Their 1984 product catalog says 40 grain fo rtheir subsonic ammo.  Their current catalog says 40 grain.  Try finding a 35 grain Eley and for sale- you won't because you won't because there is no such product you made it up.  Do a google search in google books and the web section for 35 grain subsonic Eley- you made it up!

Their subsonic Hollowpoint:

http://www.eley.co.uk/en/ammunition/subsonic-hollow/

Their subsonic lead round nose rounds:

http://www.eley.co.uk/en/ammunition/sport/

http://www.eley.co.uk/en/ammunition/tenex-pistol/

http://www.eley.co.uk/en/ammunition/club/

http://www.eley.co.uk/en/ammunition/match-pistol/

http://www.eley.co.uk/en/ammunition/match-osp/

ALL of these rounds are 40 grain- the only subsonic round they make not 40 grains is a 42 grain round.

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Does anybody know, whether or not they found firearm residue inside the Sound Moderator when it was examined?
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An official chart from Eley?  If that is your claim then you are just lying again.  Their 1984 product catalog says 40 grain fo rtheir subsonic ammo.  Their current catalog says 40 grain.  Try finding a 35 grain Eley and for sale- you won't because you won't because there is no such product you made it up.  Do a google search in google books and the web section for 35 grain subsonic Eley- you made it up!

Their subsonic Hollowpoint:

http://www.eley.co.uk/en/ammunition/subsonic-hollow/

Their subsonic lead round nose rounds:

http://www.eley.co.uk/en/ammunition/sport/

http://www.eley.co.uk/en/ammunition/tenex-pistol/

http://www.eley.co.uk/en/ammunition/club/

http://www.eley.co.uk/en/ammunition/match-pistol/

http://www.eley.co.uk/en/ammunition/match-osp/

ALL of these rounds are 40 grain- the only subsonic round they make not 40 grains is a 42 grain round.

Keep digging yourself that hole, you'll be plunging into it very soon...

Manufacturers bullet weight specification - 2.27grams...
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Did the end of a sound moderator, or the muzzle end of a rifles barrel, make these gouge marks upon Ralphs arm?

The gouge marks appear to be made with the muzzle end, not moderator.  ;D
I don´t think the single wound in the photo where there is only one wound is the same as the others. I could be wrong, it just appears different,

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Did the end of a sound moderator, or the muzzle end of a rifles barrel, make these gouge marks upon Ralphs arm?

The stock of the rifle was used to cause those injuries. 
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Keep digging yourself that hole, you'll be plunging into it very soon...

Manufacturers bullet weight specification - 2.27grams...

You are the one in the hole not me, that is the manufacturer's own specs on their own website.  Their 1984 catalog contains the same specs.  You are the one unable to produce a SHRED of evidence to establish they EVER made 35 grain bullets let alone that Nevill purchased any in 1984.
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The gouge marks appear to be made with the muzzle end, not moderator.  ;D
I don´t think the single wound in the photo where there is only one wound is the same as the others. I could be wrong, it just appears different,

I agree, it's just that Scope suggested the solitary exit wound mark was caused by the muzzle of the rifle...
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He's now saying the gouge marks were caused by the wooden stock of the rifle...
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He's now saying the gouge marks were caused by the wooden stock of the rifle...

Next, he'll be saying the gouges were caused by Sheila's earrings, or her necklace...
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