Russia - worrying?

[gringo]

My head has passed more examinations over the decades than you could only dream about. I have told you many times that the Minsk agreements are difficult to comprehend and to a large extent attempted to paper over the cracks between conflicting Ukraine's and Russia's positions. For Ukraine the most important part of the agreement was the withdrawal of Russian-backed forces to its own border, which of course would give the game away, so never happened.

I now note Putin is holding court at the Valdai conference, preaching about the equality of other regimes around the world, ignoring his own despotism of chemical poisonings, throwing opponents out of high-storey buildings and planting bombs on planes, Xi's security law on Hong Kong or the re-education camps of the Uighurs, fraud in India's elections and the politicization of its armed forces, or Cyril Ramaphosa allegedly losing $500,000 stuffed under a sofa cushion.

Yes, the Nazi guest at the Canadian parliament was a diplomatic blunder, but the Speaker has lost his job. Why the conspiracy theory? Do you think Zelensky, who is himself Jewish, would have applauded the man had he known his military history?

    You know neither the amount of "qualifications" that I have nor how many I "dream about", but moving on. You have again simply listed a number of unconnected and politicised accusations. Your referral again to Minsk. Read the thread that I started on the Minsk Accords in which you unsuccessfully attempted to defend your baseless beliefs about the Minsk Accords. You ended up unwittingly agreeing to the one fact which makes every accusation about Russia's alleged role redundant. Bad faith from day one of Ukraine and its NATO backers. You were incoherent on that thread and demonstrated your extremely shallow knowledge.
     I have no care for whatever qualifications you have, but given the schooling that you received on the Minsk thread and your abject failure to even recognise that schooling, I don't rate them. They don't require any critical thinking or ability to develop and flesh out an argument, self evidently.
     Inviting a Nazi isn't a diplomatic blunder. The sound that you hear in the background is our grandparents/great grandparents spinning in their graves at the honouring of Nazis as resistance fighters against the Russians in WW2 and then crassly dismissing the ensuing revulsion by describing the whole episode as a "diplomatic blunder". Your continued apologism for Nazis/Imperialists and unwillingness to acknowledge their crimes and aggression would appal those who fought against it.
     

[gringo]

My head has passed more examinations over the decades than you could only dream about. I have told you many times that the Minsk agreements are difficult to comprehend and to a large extent attempted to paper over the cracks between conflicting Ukraine's and Russia's positions. For Ukraine the most important part of the agreement was the withdrawal of Russian-backed forces to its own border, which of course would give the game away, so never happened.

I now note Putin is holding court at the Valdai conference, preaching about the equality of other regimes around the world, ignoring his own despotism of chemical poisonings, throwing opponents out of high-storey buildings and planting bombs on planes, Xi's security law on Hong Kong or the re-education camps of the Uighurs, fraud in India's elections and the politicization of its armed forces, or Cyril Ramaphosa allegedly losing $500,000 stuffed under a sofa cushion.

Yes, the Nazi guest at the Canadian parliament was a diplomatic blunder, but the Speaker has lost his job. Why the conspiracy theory? Do you think Zelensky, who is himself Jewish, would have applauded the man had he known his military history?

    I passed my cycling proficiency test. Does that count? You absolute melt    An appeal to authority is always weak, an appeal to your own authority is laughable. You have been consistently dismantled and shown to have a shallow understanding throughout this thread and others. Nobody is impressed by your bragging about your qualifications on an online forum. Develop an argument coherently and you won't need to "appeal to the authority" of your list of qualifications, "beyond my dreams" 
       

[Steve_uk]

    You know neither the amount of "qualifications" that I have nor how many I "dream about", but moving on. You have again simply listed a number of unconnected and politicised accusations. Your referral again to Minsk. Read the thread that I started on the Minsk Accords in which you unsuccessfully attempted to defend your baseless beliefs about the Minsk Accords. You ended up unwittingly agreeing to the one fact which makes every accusation about Russia's alleged role redundant. Bad faith from day one of Ukraine and its NATO backers. You were incoherent on that thread and demonstrated your extremely shallow knowledge.
     I have no care for whatever qualifications you have, but given the schooling that you received on the Minsk thread and your abject failure to even recognise that schooling, I don't rate them. They don't require any critical thinking or ability to develop and flesh out an argument, self evidently.
     Inviting a Nazi isn't a diplomatic blunder. The sound that you hear in the background is our grandparents/great grandparents spinning in their graves at the honouring of Nazis as resistance fighters against the Russians in WW2 and then crassly dismissing the ensuing revulsion by describing the whole episode as a "diplomatic blunder". Your continued apologism for Nazis/Imperialists and unwillingness to acknowledge their crimes and aggression would appal those who fought against it.
   

I'm well aware of the Minsk Agreements. Article 10 of Minsk 2 states:

Article 10: Removal of all foreign troops and equipment from Ukraine (with OSCE supervision) and disarmament of illegal groups.

Of course this was never implemented, because the Donetsk People's Republic and the Luhansk People's Republic would have crumbled without Putin's covert support.

I am sick and tired of the Nazi slur on Zelensky's government. He's a Jew himself, so you've been hoisted by your own petard. Putin's crimes are legion, to which any impartial reader of this thread will attest.

[Steve_uk]

    I passed my cycling proficiency test. Does that count? You absolute melt    An appeal to authority is always weak, an appeal to your own authority is laughable. You have been consistently dismantled and shown to have a shallow understanding throughout this thread and others. Nobody is impressed by your bragging about your qualifications on an online forum. Develop an argument coherently and you won't need to "appeal to the authority" of your list of qualifications, "beyond my dreams" 
     

I don't brag about my qualifications. It's you who are intimidated by them.

[Hardy Boy]

    I passed my cycling proficiency test. Does that count?
     

What it does mean Gringo, your on the Tandem with me now 

[gringo]

I don't brag about my qualifications. It's you who are intimidated by them.

    I don't know them, aren't interested in them and nor do you know mine. You have a whole lot of assumption going on there. The notion that I am "intimidated" by your qualifications(which I neither know nor care about) is deflection on your part. I demonstrate your lack of qualification to comment intelligently on world events and geopolitics generally every time you enter the discussion.
     Read through the Minsk thread from the start. You were embarrassingly lacking in knowledge, got schooled to the point where you defeated your own reasoning and still failed to take any lessons from it. You seek confirmation bias not truth.

[gringo]

What it does mean Gringo, your on the Tandem with me now 

         Hope its one of those new electric ones

[gringo]

I'm well aware of the Minsk Agreements. Article 10 of Minsk 2 states:

Article 10: Removal of all foreign troops and equipment from Ukraine (with OSCE supervision) and disarmament of illegal groups.

Of course this was never implemented, because the Donetsk People's Republic and the Luhansk People's Republic would have crumbled without Putin's covert support.

I am sick and tired of the Nazi slur on Zelensky's government. He's a Jew himself, so you've been hoisted by your own petard. Putin's crimes are legion, to which any impartial reader of this thread will attest.

   As you demonstrated on the thread devoted specifically to discussing Minsk, your "awareness" of Minsk has not led to any coherent understanding of Minsk.
      It isn't a Nazi "slur" when they are honouring Nazis as freedom fighters. Your apologism is appalling.

[Steve_uk]

   As you demonstrated on the thread devoted specifically to discussing Minsk, your "awareness" of Minsk has not led to any coherent understanding of Minsk.
      It isn't a Nazi "slur" when they are honouring Nazis as freedom fighters. Your apologism is appalling.

It was a mistake, for goodness' sake. I've made hundreds in my life, but it seems you are pure as the driven snow.

[gringo]

It was a mistake, for goodness' sake. I've made hundreds in my life, but it seems you are pure as the driven snow.

    Here is a link to the list of Nazi monuments in Canada, for you Steve,

https://en.everybodywiki.com/List_of_Nazi_monuments_in_Canada

      From the above;

"The International Military Tribunal's verdict at the Nuremberg Trials declared the entire Waffen-SS a "criminal organization" guilty of war crimes.[8] Monuments to members of the Ukrainian Waffen-SS have been vandalized by activists at differing times as "Nazi monuments", as have monuments to members of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army. Canadian police apologized in 2020 for originally stating that the anti-Nazi vandalism of those monuments is motivated by hate.[9][10] Leaders of the Canadian Ukrainian community said the Ukrainian monuments are not related to Nazism.[11]
The bronze bust[12] of Nazi collaborator Roman Shukhevych was built in 1973 by Ukrainian World War II veterans on private land near the Ukrainian Youth Unity Complex in Edmonton, Alberta.[13][14][15] The statue was vandalised in 2019 when someone added the words "Nazi scum".[16] It was vandalised again in 2021 when someone added the words "Actual Nazi" in red paint.[13]"

     Who, Steve, do you think these "Leaders of the Canadian Ukrainian community" that are commemorating Nazis in Ukraine. Could they be the Nazi war criminals referred to here do you think?

https://canadiandimension.com/articles/view/canadas-nazi-war-criminal-past-can-no-longer-be-ignored

     From that article;

"The stereotype of Nazi-embracing Latin American dictatorships is a common one, but it distracts attention from the myriad ways in which the US and Canada welcomed thousands more Nazi veterans and allowed their ideology to fester, untouched, amongst many far-right diaspora groups.

In 1997, war crimes investigator and private detective Steven Rambam said, “Canada is where the Nazis are. Canada is the unknown haven for Nazis. Everybody knows about Argentina, but nobody knows about Canada.”
In Winnipeg, the largest city near my hometown, a man named Alexander Laak lived openly, unbothered by police. He was a Nazi lieutenant and the commander of the Jägala concentration camp in Estonia. Thousands of Jewish people were murdered at Jägala from 1942 to 1943, and Laak himself was reported to have kept female prisoners as sex slaves.

After the war, Laak lived comfortably in suburban Winnipeg. He was a member of a national diaspora group called the Estonian Central Council (ECC), and from 1955 onward, he worked for Canada’s Department of National Defence.

The Russian news agency TASS claimed that Laak had bought his house in Winnipeg with proceeds from valuables stolen from victims of mass executions in Estonia. The RCMP had apparently “talked to Laak and found nothing to incriminate him.” Nevertheless, Laak admitted that he “was in the Estonian army and fought against the Russians.”

In September 1960, Laak was found dead in his garage. The official cause of death was suicide by hanging, but there are theories that he was tracked down and killed by a so-called “Jewish Avenger” squad of Holocaust survivors.

Following Laak’s death, Canadian media reported that he had undergone and passed a police check before entering Canada. Another article in the Ottawa Citizen used scare quotes when reporting Laak’s crimes, aiming to discredit Soviet accusations that he had participated in the Holocaust.

One article reads: “A 53-year-old immigrant accused by Russia as a ‘Nazi war criminal’ sought by the Communists for ‘mass murders’ in Estonia committed suicide last night by hanging himself from a garage rafter.” The article also gave Laak the space to discredit his accusers: “Laak said he was the man the Russians were talking about but labelled the story ‘99 percent lies… It is only Communist propaganda.’”
       

     Get your head out of the sand, Steve.
     

[gringo]

      From 1997, an investigation by "60 minutes" on CBC about the Nazi war criminal collaborating past of Canada;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIit7NP0wyU&ab_channel=AndThat%27stheWayItWasNewsArchives

      The notion of "accidentally" honouring Nazis is beyond preposterous and stretches credulity well beyond breaking point.
     "Accidentally honoured the Nazis" sounds more like a line from a Monty Python sketch than a serious explanation. That you believe this to be credible says a lot 

[gringo]

    A very detailed and informative article detailing the open Nazi past of Canada. Full link at the bottom but I will highlight the passages that detail Chrystia Freelands background and beliefs over the next few posts. Illuminating, and shatters the "invited Nazis by accident" nonsense. It is crystal clear that Freeland knows exactly who and what Hunka represents. Her huge beam and enthusiastic applause of Hunka was no accident. Without further ado;

Yaroslav Hunka was among the post-war wave of Ukrainian Nazi veterans welcomed by Canada. According to the city council website of Berezhany, he arrived in Ontario in 1954 and promptly “became a member of the fraternity of soldiers of the 1st Division of the UNA, affiliated to the World Congress of Free Ukrainians.”

Also among the new generation of Ukrainian Canadians was Michael Chomiak, the grandfather of Canada’s second-most-powerful official, Chrystia Freeland. Throughout her career as a journalist and Canadian diplomat, Freeland has advanced her grandfather’s legacy of anti-Russian agitation, while repeatedly exalting wartime Nazi collaborators during public events.
     Throughout the Nazi German occupation of Poland, the Ukrainian journalist Michael Chomiak served as one of Hitler’s top propagandists. Based in Krakow, Chomiak edited an antisemitic publication called Krakivs’ki visti (Krakow News), which cheerled the Nazi invasion of the Soviet Union – “The German Army is bringing us our cherished freedom,” the paper proclaimed in 1941 – and glorified Hitler while rallying Ukrainian support for the Waffen-SS Galicia volunteers.

Chomiak spent much of the war living in two spacious Krakow apartments that had been seized from their Jewish owners by the Nazi occupiers. He wrote that he moved numerous pieces of furniture belonging to a certain “Dr. Finkelstein” to another aryanized apartment placed under his control.

    In Canada, Chomiak participated in the Ukrainian Canadian Committee (UCC), which incubated hardcore nationalist sentiment among diaspora members while lobbying Ottawa for hardline anti-Soviet policies. On its website, the UCC boasted of receiving direct Canadian government assistance during World War Two: “The final and conclusive impetus for [establishing the UCC] came from the National War Services of Canada which was anxious that young Ukrainians enlist in military services.”

The UCC’s first president Volodymyr Kubijovych, had served as Chomiak’s boss back in Krakow. He also played a part in the establishment of the 14th Grenadier Division of the Waffen-SS Galicia, announcing upon its formation, “This historic day was made possible by the conditions to create a worthy opportunity for the Ukrainians of Galicia, to fight arm in arm with the heroic German soldiers of the army and the Waffen-SS against Bolshevism, your and our deadly enemy.”

Freeland nurtures media career as undercover regime change agent in Soviet-era Ukraine
Following his death in 1984, Chomiak’s granddaughter, Chrystia Freeland, followed in his footsteps as a reporter for various Ukrainian nationalist publications. She was an early contributor to Kubijovych’s Encyclopedia of Ukraine, which whitewashed the record of Nazi collaborators like Stepan Bandera, referring to him as a “revolutionary.” Next, she took a staff position at the Edmonton-based Ukrainian News, where her grandfather had served as editor.

A 1988 edition of Ukrainian News (below) featured an article co-authored by Freeland, followed by an ad for a book called “Fighting for Freedom” which glorified the Ukrainian Waffen-SS Galician division.
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https://thegrayzone.com/2023/09/26/canadas-ukrainian-nazi-ottawas-policy/


     
 

[gringo]

    More about Freeland who accidentally applauded but obviously played no part in the inviting of Nazi war criminal, Yaroslav Hunka, from the Grayzone article;

     "During Freeland’s time as an exchange student in Lviv, Ukraine, she laid the foundations for her meteoric rise to journalistic success. From behind cover as a Russian literature major at Harvard University, Freeland collaborated with local regime change activists while feeding anti-Soviet narratives to international media bigwigs.
“Countless ‘tendentious’ news stories about life in the Soviet Union, especially for its non-Russian citizens, had her fingerprints as Ms. Freeland set about making a name for herself in journalistic circles with an eye to her future career prospects,” the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC) reported.

Citing KGB files, the CBC described Freeland as a de facto intelligence agent: “The student causing so many headaches clearly loathed the Soviet Union, but she knew its laws inside and out – and how to use them to her advantage. She skillfully hid her actions, avoided surveillance (and shared that knowledge with her Ukrainian contacts) and expertly trafficked in ‘misinformation.'”

In 1989, Soviet security agents rescinded Freeland’s visa when they caught her smuggling “a veritable how-to guide for running an election” into the country for Ukrainain nationalist candidates.

She quickly transitioned back to journalism, landing gigs in post-Soviet Moscow for the Financial Times and Economist, and eventually rising to global editor-at-large of Reuters – the UK-based media giant which today functions as a cutout for British intelligence operations against Russia.

Canada trains, protects Nazis in post-Maidan Ukraine
When Freeland won a seat as a Liberal member of Canada’s parliament in 2013, she established her most powerful platform yet to agitate for regime change in Russia. Milking her journalistic connections, she published op-eds in top legacy papers like the New York Times urging militant support from Western capitals for Ukraine’s so-called “Revolution of Dignity,” which saw the violent removal of a democratically elected president and his replacement with a nationalist, pro-NATO government in 2014.

In the midst of the coup attempt, a group of neo-Nazi thugs belonging to the C14 organization occupied Kiev’s city council and vandalized the building with Ukrainian nationalist insignia and white supremacist symbols, including a Confederate flag. When riot police chased the fascist hooligans away on February 18, 2014, they took shelter in the Canadian embassy with the apparent consent of the Conservative administration in Ottawa. “Canada was sympathizing with the protesters, at the time, more than the [Ukrainian] government,” a Ukrainian interior ministry official recalled to the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation."

      Are you still buying the "it was a simple mistake" horseshit, Steve?

[Hardy Boy]

         Hope its one of those new electric ones

Iv'e had one of those Gringo, pedal assist, great way of getting around without fear of getting back.

[Steve_uk]

    More about Freeland who accidentally applauded but obviously played no part in the inviting of Nazi war criminal, Yaroslav Hunka, from the Grayzone article;

     "During Freeland’s time as an exchange student in Lviv, Ukraine, she laid the foundations for her meteoric rise to journalistic success. From behind cover as a Russian literature major at Harvard University, Freeland collaborated with local regime change activists while feeding anti-Soviet narratives to international media bigwigs.
“Countless ‘tendentious’ news stories about life in the Soviet Union, especially for its non-Russian citizens, had her fingerprints as Ms. Freeland set about making a name for herself in journalistic circles with an eye to her future career prospects,” the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC) reported.

Citing KGB files, the CBC described Freeland as a de facto intelligence agent: “The student causing so many headaches clearly loathed the Soviet Union, but she knew its laws inside and out – and how to use them to her advantage. She skillfully hid her actions, avoided surveillance (and shared that knowledge with her Ukrainian contacts) and expertly trafficked in ‘misinformation.'”

In 1989, Soviet security agents rescinded Freeland’s visa when they caught her smuggling “a veritable how-to guide for running an election” into the country for Ukrainain nationalist candidates.

She quickly transitioned back to journalism, landing gigs in post-Soviet Moscow for the Financial Times and Economist, and eventually rising to global editor-at-large of Reuters – the UK-based media giant which today functions as a cutout for British intelligence operations against Russia.

Canada trains, protects Nazis in post-Maidan Ukraine
When Freeland won a seat as a Liberal member of Canada’s parliament in 2013, she established her most powerful platform yet to agitate for regime change in Russia. Milking her journalistic connections, she published op-eds in top legacy papers like the New York Times urging militant support from Western capitals for Ukraine’s so-called “Revolution of Dignity,” which saw the violent removal of a democratically elected president and his replacement with a nationalist, pro-NATO government in 2014.

In the midst of the coup attempt, a group of neo-Nazi thugs belonging to the C14 organization occupied Kiev’s city council and vandalized the building with Ukrainian nationalist insignia and white supremacist symbols, including a Confederate flag. When riot police chased the fascist hooligans away on February 18, 2014, they took shelter in the Canadian embassy with the apparent consent of the Conservative administration in Ottawa. “Canada was sympathizing with the protesters, at the time, more than the [Ukrainian] government,” a Ukrainian interior ministry official recalled to the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation."

      Are you still buying the "it was a simple mistake" horseshit, Steve?

It was cock up rather than conspiracy. https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal/chrystia-freeland-acknowledges-that-mps-ignorance-of-history-made-nazi-controversy-even-worse/article_1acb3e88-89e9-56f8-abe4-702802bf8bfc.html