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« Reply #1965 on: July 10, 2022, 08:30:PM »
      A head scratcher for Steve, David and ILB, the resident apologists for war criminals.  Saudi Arabia last month executed 81 people in amass execution. Here is an excerpt from Amnesty about it below;

The Ministry of Interior on Saturday announced the execution of 81 people, all of whom had been convicted of a wide range of offences, including “terrorism”- related crimes, murder, armed robbery and arms smuggling. A number of those executed were also convicted of charges such as “disrupting the social fabric and national cohesion” and “participating in and inciting sit-ins and protests” which describe acts that are protected by the rights to freedom of expression, peaceful assembly and association.

Forty-one of those executed on Saturday are from Saudi Arabia’s Shi’a minority, the latest demonstration of Saudi Arabia’s politicized use of the death penalty to silence dissent in the Eastern Province.

“This execution spree is all the more chilling in light of Saudi Arabia’s deeply flawed justice system, which metes out death sentences following trials that are grossly and blatantly unfair, including basing verdicts on “confessions” extracted under torture or other ill-treatment,” said Lynn Maalouf, Amnesty International’s Deputy Regional Director for the Middle East and North Africa.


    They are also bombing one of the poorest countries in the world, along with the UAE and US/UK assistance arming training etc. This bombing campaign led to the a cholera outbreak because of the above named protagonists targeting vital civilian infrastructure leading to the "largest man made humanitarian crisis" according to the UN.
     The UN estimate 377,000 deaths by the end of 2021. More than 60% of these deaths resulting from hunger, lack of healthcare and lack of access to clean water.
     All caused by US sanctions and a brutal 8 year bombing campaign.
     Read those numbers. Then ask yourselves why none of the above even registers in your tiny minds but you feign outrage at Russia's actions in Ukraine, which are not remotely comparable in terms of brutality.

     Does this mean that NATO should immediately invade Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates?
     It appears to pass the criteria that the resident 3 wise monkeys suggest should prompt an invasion by NATO.
     Again NATO would also have to invade its own members. What elaborate webs they weave....
     Would China and Russia be justified in invading US/UK for their crimes in Yemen?
     Are they allowed to be judge, jury and executioner in punishing US/UK?
     Can only NATO do this?
     Show your reasoning!

You are well aware of the US Saudi relationship

And this is without NATO.

We all know this

You are an apologist for Saddam Hussein!
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« Reply #1966 on: July 10, 2022, 08:34:PM »
Be thankful you live in a democracy son  OK Dad!

Did bush or Blair..

Gas their own people?

     They murdered hundreds of thousands more Iraqis than Saddam. Does that count?

Routinely kidnap women and little girls off the streets to brutally rape and kill them?

I doubt that is true.

Eradicate any political party. ?

   
    This is true of many regimes that we are friendly with. It is not a justification for any country to take the law into their own hands killing hundreds of thousands, displacing millions, destroying infrastructure, allowing looting and destruction of priceless treasures and causing the turmoil that led to ISIS.

     You are an apologist for war criminals. NATO crimes are greater by magnitudes than any of the crimes that they are supposedly bringing justice for.




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« Reply #1967 on: July 10, 2022, 08:41:PM »
Be thankful you live in a democracy son  OK Dad!

Did bush or Blair..

Gas their own people?

     They murdered hundreds of thousands more Iraqis than Saddam. Does that count?

Routinely kidnap women and little girls off the streets to brutally rape and kill them?

I doubt that is true.

Eradicate any political party. ?

   
    This is true of many regimes that we are friendly with. It is not a justification for any country to take the law into their own hands killing hundreds of thousands, displacing millions, destroying infrastructure, allowing looting and destruction of priceless treasures and causing the turmoil that led to ISIS.

     You are an apologist for war criminals. NATO crimes are greater by magnitudes than any of the crimes that they are supposedly bringing justice for.

So how do you describe Mr Saddam hussein
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« Reply #1968 on: July 10, 2022, 08:44:PM »
You are well aware of the US Saudi relationship


    What is this supposed to mean? It appears that you are saying that the brutality is ok because the US have a relationship with them? What sort of fuck-wittery is this? 377,000 dead. Can you read? Do you have any conscience? Do you really care so little about the deaths and brutality taking place in your name? You still are ok with this because you are "well aware of the US Saudi relationship". This take alone shows that you actually support brutal wars on those whose natural wealth we wish to steal. You are a shameless war crime apologist.
    Be thankful that there is someone to show you the error of your ways, sunshine.

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« Reply #1969 on: July 10, 2022, 08:53:PM »
You are well aware of the US Saudi relationship


    What is this supposed to mean? It appears that you are saying that the brutality is ok because the US have a relationship with them? What sort of fuck-wittery is this? 377,000 dead. Can you read? Do you have any conscience? Do you really care so little about the deaths and brutality taking place in your name? You still are ok with this because you are "well aware of the US Saudi relationship". This take alone shows that you actually support brutal wars on those whose natural wealth we wish to steal. You are a shameless war crime apologist.
    Be thankful that there is someone to show you the error of your ways, sunshine.

You haven't shown me shit you idiot just copy and pasting.

What do you think of the 1982 dujail massacre?

Or the 1988 Al anfwal campaign?
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« Reply #1970 on: July 10, 2022, 08:55:PM »
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U9HgdVN9C_k what do you think of your mans 1979 public purge about a " conspiracy " in his newly erected government. Just an excuse to murder innocent politicians he didn't like
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« Reply #1971 on: July 10, 2022, 09:02:PM »
There's junior there just forcing a " friend " to go into to the river to retrieve a duck. While junior shoots at him https://youtu.be/7EbO0RdxKXA
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« Reply #1972 on: July 10, 2022, 09:21:PM »
    Here's the thing though. I don't support Saddam or MBS or any other world leader. Whatever Saddam's crimes, they pale into insignificance compared to NATO. The death toll and destruction of infrastructure and entire countries is testament to this unarguable fact.
    I don't believe that NATO had any right to invade Iraq and nor do I think they have any right to invade Saudi Arabia. The same applies to Syria and Yemen, the current stops on NATO/US/UK tour of the world sponsored by Raytheon and Lockheed Martin.
    You however, seem to believe we were correct to invade Iraq for Saddam's brutality. We would be incorrect to invade Saudi Arabia despite Bin Salman's psychopathic brutality and support also our wars on Syria and Yemen, currently ongoing. You are in favour of all NATO invasions, as you previously informed us, but your criteria is clearly just NATO support, so why mention alleged crimes? You only care for victims if the perpetrator is not a friend of NATO. Your cynical use of the victims of Saddam's crimes to bolster your war apologist bullshit is noted.

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« Reply #1973 on: July 10, 2022, 09:25:PM »
    It is also worth mentioning again to those claiming to be horrified by Saddam's crimes.
    Arguably his greatest crime, the gassing at Halabja, was done with NATO supplied chemicals and NATO targeting. Or put more simply, NATO were co-conspirators in the Halabja gas attack.

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« Reply #1974 on: July 10, 2022, 09:49:PM »
You haven't shown me shit you idiot just copy and pasting.

   You haven't learnt anything, but that is a reflection on you.

   You are incapable of critical thinking or writing a coherent and cohesive reply.
   Your position is simply that invasion by NATO depends on NATO's relationship with that country. You mention alleged crimes only to disguise your real criteria. You have admitted this. The world order is changing whether you like it or not. Facts on the ground are being created and no amount of propaganda will spin away the obvious inflation and lowered living standards that are coming.
   You will amongst the last to see through the lies and crimes of the collective west, if you ever do. 


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« Reply #1975 on: July 10, 2022, 10:03:PM »
     Also worth pointing out, ILB, that rather than asking me to justify Saddam's crimes, you should be asking yourself the same question. As I observed earlier, your admitted support of all NATO interventions means that you supported the arming and facilitation of Saddam's crimes from 1980-88.
     I have never expressed any support Saddam. You have.

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« Reply #1976 on: July 10, 2022, 10:13:PM »
This is all bullshit.

You spout this spiel against NATO. You're a champagne socialist version of a NATO aggressor. You would be the first to moan if you lived under these oppressive regimes that NATO sought to change. You live a democracy. A country where we can speak what we like. Choose to believe in what we like. Wear what we like, sleep with whom we like and within constraints do what we like. You are putting US UK in the warcrime barriers with people like Saddam. You are so far out. You don't even know it. America, The UK are democracies. You know this. It's junior me even stating it out to you.

The Iraq war of 2003 was a depressing scenario. The Bush administration spoke in 2001 of an axis of evil between NK, Iran and Iraq. I didn't believe it at first. I never believe he had weapons of mass destruction. America claimed he did. None was found l. but I knew full well he had be disposed.

In an ideal world. I'd have preferred that a squad was sent in pre 2003 undercover and arrested Saddam and brought him before the Hague. I think that would have been the best option. And it would have saved a lot of bloodshed. Preferably he should have been disposed of in 1991. Not subjected to US sanctions. Because however crippling. The people of Iraq ultimately suffered and he still clung into power in the 12 year interim.

Saddam was a tyrant. A man who killed his own people. An appalling human rights abuse record. A man who invaded a neighbour to pifler monetary assets. He was a pillager. Iraq had long since wanted democracy. But was unsure how to go about it. It new no other from Faisal 2, Abdul quasim, then the Baathists.

It was a police state. Forced disappearances, murders, torture, hangings. Any opinion other than what Saddam wanted was punishable by death. Do you know Iraqi regular citizens could not even hold a passport?

Give me Blair anyday of the week. You don't know you are born
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« Reply #1977 on: July 10, 2022, 10:15:PM »
Gringo, you give me one of these NATO states that you hate that runs their country in this way
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« Reply #1978 on: July 10, 2022, 10:20:PM »
You are the typical far left wing rich mummy and daddy student type. Protest on your parents money. And go ape shit when you have to cough up a fiver

I do agree though. That the Iraq war bloodshed could have been avoided. And Saddam disposed in a less bloodless way
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« Reply #1979 on: July 10, 2022, 10:57:PM »
You are the typical far left wing rich mummy and daddy student type. Protest on your parents money. And go ape shit when you have to cough up a fiver

I do agree though. That the Iraq war bloodshed could have been avoided. And Saddam disposed in a less bloodless way
    I'm a far left mummy and daddy student with rich parents. That's news to me.
     Protesting on their money?
     Go ape shit at coughing up a fiver?
     You sound like an unhinged Mystic Meg.