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Re: Bambers Application for Prerogative of Pardon 2005
« Reply #270 on: February 26, 2015, 09:26:PM »



You obviously missed the news where it said of those who took " selfies " were narcissistic.
Sheila was forever conscious about her appearance. She worried after the twins were born that her figure was " out of shape " and that she'd become too fat to continue her modelling.
Think Sheila was very insecure as many children who develop schizophrenia are and it never left her, she certainly had plenty to deal with poor woman.

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« Reply #271 on: February 26, 2015, 09:27:PM »
Yeah that's fairly normal for a young attractive woman specially these days.

We are all narcissistic to some degree but being narcissistic is not synonymous with narcissistic personality disorder

She was no saint. but I wouldn't say she was psychopathic

Neither would I David, but you see how little things like worrying about weight after pregnancy - suddenly become something so much bigger - worrying about weight suddenly turns into narcissistic personality disorder and then slaughtering your family.
A greater case can be made for Bamber having narcissistic personality disorder  - and certainly I believe is his a phsycopath.

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« Reply #272 on: February 26, 2015, 09:28:PM »
That's because Narcissus looked in the pool and fell in love with himself.




Yes,that's how the story goes. Trouble is,when that sort of thing is put into practice,nothing,and nobody else matters only themselves. 

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Re: Bambers Application for Prerogative of Pardon 2005
« Reply #273 on: February 26, 2015, 09:29:PM »
It definitely wasn't planned that's for sure.

The evidence demonstrates otherwise.  The time of night for instance and being attacked in their beds is indicative of planning.  Had Sheila had an episode it would have been during the day when she was interacting with people not waking up after 3 hours of sleep and attacking people in bed.

But more than just the time of night there is evidence establishing Sheila didn't kill anyone else or herself.  You ignore that evidence but it doesn't make it go away it just means you live in a world of denial.

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« Reply #274 on: February 26, 2015, 09:35:PM »
Think Sheila was very insecure as many children who develop schizophrenia are and it never left her, she certainly had plenty to deal with poor woman.
That's the way it happened with my friend's son. His life was in termoil at home, so he travelled from Cornwall to mine and said he wanted to learn signwriting. He got very down because he thought he couldn't do it (it takes 7 years basic training) then I saw that he joined the Territorial Army. He didn't get on very well there became very depressed and finally went home.
He was sitting very quietly one day reading a book when he suddenly flew into a rage and began hitting out at his father. Luckily his father was stronger than him and managed to restrain him. But that marked the visible beginning of his illness. Now he is into his 50's. Not cured but controlled with drugs. Very sad. We used to go cliff climbing together and for walks in woods as we both liked nature. But he just retreated into himself and his own imaginary world. Now whenever he hears a helicopter he thinks the police are coming to get him.

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Re: Bambers Application for Prerogative of Pardon 2005
« Reply #275 on: February 26, 2015, 09:36:PM »
Think Sheila was very insecure as many children who develop schizophrenia are and it never left her, she certainly had plenty to deal with poor woman.





There was certainly something going on,no doubt about that at all. Yes,Sheila was very insecure. So sad.

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« Reply #276 on: February 26, 2015, 09:37:PM »
The evidence demonstrates otherwise.  The time of night for instance and being attacked in their beds is indicative of planning.  Had Sheila had an episode it would have been during the day when she was interacting with people not waking up after 3 hours of sleep and attacking people in bed.

But more than just the time of night there is evidence establishing Sheila didn't kill anyone else or herself.  You ignore that evidence but it doesn't make it go away it just means you live in a world of denial.
Another shameful put you down. When are you going to stop denigrating people scipio. Just accept that other people have their opinions as well. It certainly doesn't mean they are living in denial.

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Re: Bambers Application for Prerogative of Pardon 2005
« Reply #277 on: February 26, 2015, 09:38:PM »
The evidence demonstrates otherwise.  The time of night for instance and being attacked in their beds is indicative of planning. Had Sheila had an episode it would have been during the day when she was interacting with people not waking up after 3 hours of sleep and attacking people in bed.

But more than just the time of night there is evidence establishing Sheila didn't kill anyone else or herself.  You ignore that evidence but it doesn't make it go away it just means you live in a world of denial.

Wow what an assumption! lol

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« Reply #278 on: February 26, 2015, 09:39:PM »
Wow what an assumption! lol
Unfortunately that is him all the time. Always assuming things without any evidence whatsoever.

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Re: Bambers Application for Prerogative of Pardon 2005
« Reply #279 on: February 26, 2015, 09:42:PM »
Wow what an assumption! lol

And calls it "evidence". HAHAHA

HE is ignoring that Sheila´s neighbours at Maida Vale told about wailing and going ons from her flat in the very early hours of the morning aka night.
Guess he chooses to live in a world of denial.

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Re: Bambers Application for Prerogative of Pardon 2005
« Reply #280 on: February 26, 2015, 09:42:PM »
That's the way it happened with my friend's son. His life was in termoil at home, so he travelled from Cornwall to mine and said he wanted to learn signwriting. He got very down because he thought he couldn't do it (it takes 7 years basic training) then I saw that he joined the Territorial Army. He didn't get on very well there became very depressed and finally went home.
He was sitting very quietly one day reading a book when he suddenly flew into a rage and began hitting out at his father. Luckily his father was stronger than him and managed to restrain him. But that marked the visible beginning of his illness. Now he is into his 50's. Not cured but controlled with drugs. Very sad. We used to go cliff climbing together and for walks in woods as we both liked nature. But he just retreated into himself and his own imaginary world. Now whenever he hears a helicopter he thinks the police are coming to get him.
It is a dreadful illness but it can be controlled with drugs however, as we know even today the drugs nearly always cause side effects which isn't a pleasant way to have to live.
It's true violent anger is a symptom of uncontrolled schizophrenia, although some schizophrenics are given to extreme violence and others never hurt anyone but themselves.  For many the symptoms subside as a sufferers grows older, what they used to call 'burned out', even dangerous PS sufferers could become calm with age.
I cannot understand how schizophrenics who commit crimes while suffering a psychotic episode are held responsible for their crimes.  It's a tragedy for all concerned imo.

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Re: Bambers Application for Prerogative of Pardon 2005
« Reply #281 on: February 26, 2015, 09:50:PM »
It is a dreadful illness but it can be controlled with drugs however, as we know even today the drugs nearly always cause side effects which isn't a pleasant way to have to live.
It's true violent anger is a symptom of uncontrolled schizophrenia, although some schizophrenics are given to extreme violence and others never hurt anyone but themselves.  For many the symptoms subside as a sufferers grows older, what they used to call 'burned out', even dangerous PS sufferers could become calm with age.
I cannot understand how schizophrenics who commit crimes while suffering a psychotic episode are held responsible for their crimes.  It's a tragedy for all concerned imo.





After all these years,Maggie,the law is changing as regards arresting those who have a mental illness. It really beggars belief that they're thrown into cells.As if their illnesses aren't bad enough and they're locked up for them. I'd read that in one district/area,a trained RMN will accompany a police officer,or officers on their rounds to help in detecting those who need help rather than handcuffs.
About time too as I've always thought it a terrible and traumatic time for those who are genuinely ill.

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Re: Bambers Application for Prerogative of Pardon 2005
« Reply #282 on: February 26, 2015, 09:53:PM »




After all these years,Maggie,the law is changing as regards arresting those who have a mental illness. It really beggars belief that they're thrown into cells.As if their illnesses aren't bad enough and they're locked up for them. I'd read that in one district/area,a trained RMN will accompany a police officer,or officers on their rounds to help in detecting those who need help rather than handcuffs.
About time too as I've always thought it a terrible and traumatic time for those who are genuinely ill.
It harks back to Victorian times. lookout.  |The sooner it changes the better imo.

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Re: Bambers Application for Prerogative of Pardon 2005
« Reply #283 on: February 26, 2015, 10:02:PM »




After all these years,Maggie,the law is changing as regards arresting those who have a mental illness. It really beggars belief that they're thrown into cells.As if their illnesses aren't bad enough and they're locked up for them. I'd read that in one district/area,a trained RMN will accompany a police officer,or officers on their rounds to help in detecting those who need help rather than handcuffs.
About time too as I've always thought it a terrible and traumatic time for those who are genuinely ill.

There's mental illness and there's mental illness. if you know what I mean

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Re: Bambers Application for Prerogative of Pardon 2005
« Reply #284 on: February 26, 2015, 10:08:PM »




Who are you to argue ? It's more or less in a book written by Claire Powell,who describes Sheila worse than that. The book is anti-Bamber btw.

In Colins book I would say she comes across as being very insecure .