Photographic still image taken from crime scene video - The shocking truth...

[mike tesko]

In the flash of the moment, I do not believe that the twist of rifle and bend in arm, allowed the use of the index finger to activate the trigger mechanism, followed by the use of Sheila's thumb to activate the trigger mechanism at the time of the fatal shot...

[mike tesko]

Sheila did not shoot herself...

Jeremy knows that these are my beliefs, and it didn't go down well with him...

[lookout]

Yet it was he,himself who first accused the police of shooting dead his family ?

[mike tesko]

Yet it was he,himself who first accused the police of shooting dead his family ?

Yes, he did - and I was annoyed that he didn't" tell me about it until I came across PC Saxbys witness statement making mention of it. When I came across the aforementioned statement I thought it strange why Saxby did not bring this to the attention of any other police officer, yet he makes a witness statement about the affair - it seems odd to me. I became interested in Jeremy's allegation made to Saxby, and wanted to know why Jeremy had said what he had said to him? He told me that he made the complaint because after arriving at the farmhouse the police and himself had seen someone moving around in an upstairs bedroom, and by that stage there was no evidence that anyone at all had been shot. He spoke about men carrying guns going towards the farmhouse, and the arrival of the ambulances, which led him to conclude that awhile later when the news was broken to him that all his family inside the farmhouse were dead, that he put two and two together and thought that the men with the guns who had gone to get in the farmhouse had shot and killed everyone. I asked Jeremy if he had heard any shots being fired, and he said, "no", he said, "I did not hear a shot when dad called me", he told me, "nor after my arrival at the farm after being told to go there by the police", said he. So I said to Jeremy, "did you hear any of the sledge hammer blows made to the external doors", I said, "made by police who smashed open the door to gain entry"? He replied, "no". I added, "yet, they gave the external farmhouse door several heavy blows and you did not hear a thing at all"? He said, "no, I did not hear anything like that"...

The way I interpreted this, was that if Jeremy did not hear the sledge hammer smashing the farmhouse door in, what chance if any would he or anyone else have of hearing shots discharged somewhere inside the farmhouse?

[mike tesko]

The other odd thing, is that PC Saxby was in control of patrol car, CA07, via which the all important radio messages were past between officers at the scene. So, Saxby himself was aware that at 7.37am, a message was passed through the patrol car in which Saxby was sat, "THE BODY OF ONE DEAD MALE, and THE BODY OF ONE DEAD FEMALE FOUND UPON ENTRY", he would also be aware that a minute later, another message was passed from m the scene to the control room through the radio situated in patrol car CA07 in which Saxby, was sat (7.38am), "ONE DEAD MALE, ONE DEAD FEMALE". As if that wasn't enough to convince everyone that the body of a dead male, and the body of a dead female, found upon entry to the premises, and that all the police at the scene and back at the control room (including Saxby himself) knew that two bodies were found upon entry, none more certain than when at 7.42am,  a further radio message was transmitted via Saxbys patrol car radio, "CAN SOMEBODY CONTACT THE POLICE SURGEON, AND THE CORONERS OFFICER REGARDING TWO BODIES"...

Now, at this s time, Jeremy was at the patrol car with Saxby as these radio message transmissions were being sent from the scene to the control room, so it should city me as no surprise, that by the time another message timed at 8.10am was relayed to the control room from the scene via CA07, "AFTER A THOROUGH SEARCH, A FURTHER THREE BODIES FOUND UPSTAIRS. FIVE DEAD IN TOTAL", that it was at this point that Jeremy got the idea in his head, that the police who had gone into the farmhouse carrying guns must have shot everyone dead - because Jeremy and police had seen someone moving around in an upstairs bedroom. Police had been dealing with the situation as a siege, and whilst Jeremy had been in the grounds of the farmhouse in company of police, or at the forward control point in a nearby outbuilding, he had not heard any shots being fired, nor was he given any indication that any shots had been fired. So, upon being told that all his family inside were all dead, he must have automatically assumed police had shot them...

[mike tesko]

Let's set the record straight once and for all, by 8.10am, police inside the farmhouse, other police at the scene (including the occupants of CA07) and police back in the control room, were satisfied and convinced, as sure as anybody could be, that two bodies had been found downstairs, and three bodies upstairs, and that all five by that stage were believed to be dead...

[lookout]

So therefore because Jeremy HADN'T known what had gone on inside the farmhouse and still WASN'T aware of what was going on,on seeing armed officers approaching the farmhouse,he'd naturally think that they'd been responsible for the shooting of his family after having been told the sad news.
What else was Jeremy supposed to think, at not having been given a running commentary of what moves the team were going to do next.?
Nothing could have been explained to him or he wouldn't have accused them. Maybe the honest truth would have helped !! That having been the case,Jeremy wouldn't be where he's been for 30 years.
How he's kept his sanity all these years I just don't honestly know.

[mike tesko]

You do not continue with a two body find downstairs upon entry for 33 minutes, if as it were only a mistake over the true identity of one body, originally described as a dead female from the vantage point through a kitchen window, which allegedly gets sorted out once the police get into the building - it would have been the easiest thing in the world to say, that they made a mistake, there was only one body downstairs which we misidentified, oh and we found the other four victims upstairs, but they can't even get that part right, because it is reported that only three bodies were found upstairs...

[Caroline]

Or they did and she wasn't? By the way, can I just say that Jeremy said he now has all the PII stuff so what hasn't been disclosed?

Just for Adam - READ IT AND WEEP!! AND DON'T CALL ME A LIAR AGAIN! WALLY!!

[lookout]

Mike, is there any truth in the threat which RWB was going to make about/towards EP,exposing the re-enactment after his friend Robert Carr from the Met gave him the rundown of inside information about the investigation ? RWB had approached Simpson with a view to turning the case round to put Jeremy in the dock for stage-managing Sheila's body.

[Stephanie]

It with a sad heart that I fhink I may have been hoodwinked..

Who hoodwinked you Buddy and how did they hoodwink you? Did the truth prevail but you found it difficult to accept the truth?

[Adam]

Not sure what Caroline was going on about in post 743. I only posted 4 times in this thread, none of them regarding documents.

I've always said Bamber & supporters have given mixed messages on documents received. Threads created.

Anyway it waa 2 years ago.  Maybe she was having another bad day.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7024.msg330273.html#msg330273

[Stephanie]

Who hoodwinked you Buddy and how did they hoodwink you? Did the truth prevail but you found it difficult to accept the truth?

Morning Buddy good to see you on here again today. Was hoping you would answer my question above.

You seemed keen to speak to me yesterday, then disappeared and nugnug came along?

You said you were interested in the truth.

So am I.

I was wrong about the SH case, as you reminded me yesterday.

And it appears you have publicly admitted to being hookwinked by Jeremy Bamber.

How did he hoodwink you?

[Roch]

Mike, is there any truth in the threat which RWB was going to make about/towards EP,exposing the re-enactment after his friend Robert Carr from the Met gave him the rundown of inside information about the investigation ? RWB had approached Simpson with a view to turning the case round to put Jeremy in the dock for stage-managing Sheila's body.

Maybe Mike will answer if it's bumped?

[Stephanie]

Maybe Mike will answer if it's bumped?

I think it would help posters if they were to look back to find out who the source/s is of the majority of conspiracy theories

They have all be addressed and proven to be nonsense