Miscellaneous Notes...

[guest2181]

As I've said before,I don't make things up and definitely read it on this forum.

It certainly looks like you do. 

[lookout]

It certainly looks like you do. 

I've actually found reference to it on a thread " why did Jeremy bamber have no alibi "30/10/2011.

It's where a poster had suggested" Jeremy arriving at WHF at midnight,killing everyone,sets the scene for 4 murders and a suicide,cleans himself up,disposes of his clothes,calls his cottage,puts the silencer in the cupboard,places a bible near Sheila,then walks briskly home by 2.45/3am "

[Alias]

I've actually found reference to it on a thread " why did Jeremy bamber have no alibi "30/10/2011.

It's where a poster had suggested" Jeremy arriving at WHF at midnight,killing everyone,sets the scene for 4 murders and a suicide,cleans himself up,disposes of his clothes,calls his cottage,puts the silencer in the cupboard,places a bible near Sheila,then walks briskly home by 2.45/3am "

I can never find the threads you refer to. 

[guest2181]

I've actually found reference to it on a thread " why did Jeremy bamber have no alibi "30/10/2011.

It's where a poster had suggested" Jeremy arriving at WHF at midnight,killing everyone,sets the scene for 4 murders and a suicide,cleans himself up,disposes of his clothes,calls his cottage,puts the silencer in the cupboard,places a bible near Sheila,then walks briskly home by 2.45/3am "

I rest my case!  :D

You said:

Strangely enough a lot of guilters first thought that the murders did happen at midnight....

Then your 'a lot of guilters' turns into a single members suggestion:

I've actually found reference to it on a thread " why did Jeremy bamber have no alibi "30/10/2011.

It's where a poster had suggested" Jeremy arriving at WHF at midnight,killing everyone,sets the scene for 4 murders and a suicide,cleans himself up,disposes of his clothes,calls his cottage,puts the silencer in the cupboard,places a bible near Sheila,then walks briskly home by 2.45/3am "

To make matters worse, you reference the posts below as proof. I'm not sure I'd have it in my hart(ley) to refer to Keira as 'a guilter'.

14. So, Jeremy supposedly arrives at WHF at around midnight, breaks in, kills all of his family, sets the scene up as four murders and a suicide, cleans himself off and disposes of his clothing calls his cottage, puts the silencer in the cupboard, places a bible near Sheila, then walks briskly home by 2.50 am or 3 am?

We need to remember too that Jeremy had been working 13 to 15 hour shifts on the harvest. He'd worked around 13 hours on the night of the murders.

So Jeremy:

Rises at 6 am or 7am

Rushes to work, does 13 hours exhausting manual work

Grabs a quick meal at WHF

Rushes home, works out his plan and puts on his wet suit and flippers

Walks for an hour and half, arrives WHF at midnight.

Frantically kills his family - turning his head away as he doesn't even have the stomach for killing rabbits and was termed by Nevill a 'Nancy Boy' due to this - stages the killings, cleans up, changes his clothes

Walks home for another hour and half

Rings the police and sets off for WHF

Waits at WHF from 4 amish to 9 or 10 amish.

Sits in a police car and does not fall asleep from exhaustion....

Having been dosed with tranquilisers, still manages to respond intelligibly when interviewed by police for some hours.

It really does make little difference, and as far as I'm aware, we don't have an accurate time of death for the five victims, there's  not even a consensus among different people's opinions (and never has been). Clearly the murders occurred at some point prior to Jeremy phoning the police.

I don't much care for the term guilter in case you hadn't noticed.  :D

You've made an error, for whatever reason. It's not a big deal, but let's move on shall we? 

[lookout]

One of the items from the Stokenchurch list of exhibits included a cartridge from a shotgun. Does anyone know where this was found and whose fingerprints were on it ?
Though it would seem obvious enough an answer seeing that Sheila's prints were found on the shotgun.

Why haven't EP been specific in their investigation ?

[lookout]

One of the items from the Stokenchurch list of exhibits included a cartridge from a shotgun. Does anyone know where this was found and whose fingerprints were on it ?
Though it would seem obvious enough an answer seeing that Sheila's prints were found on the shotgun.

Why haven't EP been specific in their investigation ?

If the shotgun had been fired in anger prior to the murders having taken place on the same night,then the man who was walking his dog WOULD have heard a shot ring out as it would have been more audible than a .22 rifle.
No wonder we haven't seen this guy's statement !! Steven Brian Smith.

[Caroline]

If the shotgun had been fired in anger prior to the murders having taken place on the same night,then the man who was walking his dog WOULD have heard a shot ring out as it would have been more audible than a .22 rifle.
No wonder we haven't seen this guy's statement !! Steven Brian Smith.

IF a shot was heard it doesn't mean it came from WHF, or that it was Sheila who fired the shot. A couple of nights ago I hear two shots from a shot gun - no murders though, it's part of living in the countryside. I've got a shot gun cartridge, I haven't killed anyone and why should we see his statement? I imagine it said, he was walking his dog and heard a shot, what else can it say?

[lookout]

IF a shot was heard it doesn't mean it came from WHF, or that it was Sheila who fired the shot. A couple of nights ago I hear two shots from a shot gun - no murders though, it's part of living in the countryside. I've got a shot gun cartridge, I haven't killed anyone and why should we see his statement? I imagine it said, he was walking his dog and heard a shot, what else can it say?

I would have said that it was more than a coincidence that a shot was heard between 10pm and midnight on the night of the murders,and that a spent cartridge from a shotgun was found. ? Found where,we don't know as yet,but it's another question for Jeremy.
Also the fact that Sheila's prints were to be found on the said shotgun seems more than a coincidence too.

[Caroline]

I would have said that it was more than a coincidence that a shot was heard between 10pm and midnight on the night of the murders,and that a spent cartridge from a shotgun was found. ? Found where,we don't know as yet,but it's another question for Jeremy.
Also the fact that Sheila's prints were to be found on the said shotgun seems more than a coincidence too.

Only if you're putting two and two together and coming up with a red herring! 

[lookout]

How do you account for the shotgun having been found in another room other than the kitchen,or the gun cupboard where it would have been ? I don't remember it being said that Jeremy was trying it out ?

[lookout]

The cartridge was mentioned in the Stokenchurch investigations,so no red-herring there,also it was AE who'd reported finding the shotgun and she didn't lie.

[Caroline]

The cartridge was mentioned in the Stokenchurch investigations,so no red-herring there,also it was AE who'd reported finding the shotgun and she didn't lie.

No one was shot with a shot gun.

[lookout]

No one was shot with a shot gun.

I know that,but it must have been fired for there to have been an empty cartridge ?

[Jane]

I know that,but it must have been fired for there to have been an empty cartridge ?

What would it prove if it had been fired?

[lookout]

What would it prove if it had been fired?

That the firer was Sheila whose prints were on it.