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Re: Why was " Taff " Jones so adamant of Jeremys' innocence ?
« Reply #30 on: December 28, 2014, 09:59:PM »
Interestingly Taff Jones still believed Bamber was innocent after the DPP immediately said there was enough evidence to charge Bamber with murder.

So did two jurors. One more, and he would have walked. Not such a clear cut case, and there is no "mountain" of circumstantial evidence. The "molehill" there was was quite dodgy in fact.

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Re: Why was " Taff " Jones so adamant of Jeremys' innocence ?
« Reply #31 on: December 28, 2014, 10:04:PM »
So did two jurors. One more, and he would have walked. Not such a clear cut case, and there is no "mountain" of circumstantial evidence. The "molehill" there was was quite dodgy in fact.

Well Stan Jones says he was not surprised two female jurors voted 'not guilty'. Bamber looked much too smart and was much too nice to be a murderer.

What he said in his testimony was quite damning. Perhaps the two female jurors were looking rather than listening.
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Re: Why was " Taff " Jones so adamant of Jeremys' innocence ?
« Reply #32 on: December 28, 2014, 10:09:PM »
Well Stan Jones says he was not surprised two female jurors voted 'not guilty'. Bamber looked much too smart and was much too nice to be a murderer.

What he said in his testimony was quite damning. Perhaps the two female jurors were looking rather than listening.

How very condescending - of you and SJ both, I am not surprised though.

How do you know the innocent votes came from females?

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Re: Why was " Taff " Jones so adamant of Jeremys' innocence ?
« Reply #33 on: December 28, 2014, 10:10:PM »
So did two jurors. One more, and he would have walked. Not such a clear cut case, and there is no "mountain" of circumstantial evidence. The "molehill" there was was quite dodgy in fact.

Why do you think Taff Jones believed Bamber innocent ?

Everyone else in EP connected to the case, both senior or junior to him believed Bamber was responsible.
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Re: Why was " Taff " Jones so adamant of Jeremys' innocence ?
« Reply #34 on: December 28, 2014, 10:12:PM »
Why do you think Taff Jones believed Bamber innocent ?

Everyone else in EP connected to the case, both senior or junior to him believed Bamber was responsible.

Not from get go.

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Re: Why was " Taff " Jones so adamant of Jeremys' innocence ?
« Reply #35 on: December 28, 2014, 10:16:PM »
Not from get go.

Well very quickly all the officers came to the same opinion. Except Taff.
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Re: Why was " Taff " Jones so adamant of Jeremys' innocence ?
« Reply #36 on: December 28, 2014, 10:20:PM »
Well very quickly all the officers came to the same opinion. Except Taff.

We hardly know what they all thought.

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Re: Why was " Taff " Jones so adamant of Jeremys' innocence ?
« Reply #37 on: December 29, 2014, 10:33:AM »
Well Stan Jones says he was not surprised two female jurors voted 'not guilty'. Bamber looked much too smart and was much too nice to be a murderer.

What he said in his testimony was quite damning. Perhaps the two female jurors were looking rather than listening.
And do you go along with Stan Jones' obvious sexist statement Adam? Do you not think that his statement was derogatory towards women? He might well have said that women are not guided by sound judgment, but rather by emotion, swooning at the sight of an obviously handsome Jeremy rather that judging the evidence for what it was?
 Presumably if Jeremy was a woman then he would have been a free man instead, if you apply the same erm..."logical" principles? ::)

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Re: Why was " Taff " Jones so adamant of Jeremys' innocence ?
« Reply #38 on: December 29, 2014, 10:39:AM »
How very condescending - of you and SJ both, I am not surprised though.

How do you know the innocent votes came from females?
Jones would not know. Neither he nor anyone else would have been allowed to know this, as it would have put the jurors into a compromising position.
Rather it came from Jones' prejudicial mind and may I dare to say from Adam's as well, as he appears to agree with Jones on this? I hope not, as this would point to his attitude towards women in general?

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Re: Why was " Taff " Jones so adamant of Jeremys' innocence ?
« Reply #39 on: December 29, 2014, 11:34:AM »
 There are obviously notes which haven't yet surfaced that " Taff " would have collated as regards " first " impressions of his findings at the scene,which would explain his deductions on 4 murders and a suicide.

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Re: Why was " Taff " Jones so adamant of Jeremys' innocence ?
« Reply #40 on: December 29, 2014, 12:02:PM »
There are obviously notes which haven't yet surfaced that " Taff " would have collated as regards " first " impressions of his findings at the scene,which would explain his deductions on 4 murders and a suicide.
It is indeed strange that we only have "portions" of his notebook?

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Re: Why was " Taff " Jones so adamant of Jeremys' innocence ?
« Reply #41 on: December 29, 2014, 12:54:PM »
It is indeed strange that we only have "portions" of his notebook?

Does make you wonder if he discussed the case with his wife? Especially when he was removed from the case.

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Re: Why was " Taff " Jones so adamant of Jeremys' innocence ?
« Reply #42 on: December 29, 2014, 01:36:PM »
Does make you wonder if he discussed the case with his wife? Especially when he was removed from the case.





I'd read somewhere that the wife didn't believe that Jeremy was guilty.

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Re: Why was " Taff " Jones so adamant of Jeremys' innocence ?
« Reply #43 on: December 29, 2014, 01:41:PM »
Using the same logic: The male jurors may have thought JM was much too sexy to be a bare faced liar.

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Re: Why was " Taff " Jones so adamant of Jeremys' innocence ?
« Reply #44 on: December 29, 2014, 01:55:PM »
 Of course,lebaleb. JM was one crafty mare. Putting on her great act of crying when the defence were questioning her,that people must have thought " how cruel to put her through that ".Come the prosecution questions-----------------not a tear was shed !! Makes my blood boil.