Sheila not fighting back. Why ?

[Mr. Gee]

I did find survive my 'lost in Tenerife' episode. Sadly without the assistance of any of the beautiful ladies on the beach.

Perhaps you are similarly lost in regards to the Bamber case? You know like you said, " Refusing to accept they are going the wrong way and turning back"?

[guest2181]

I am not sure that door from box room to children´s room was entirely blocked?

What looks like an item of furniture on the plan, blocking the door from the children's room to the box room, is actually two steps.


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[Alias]

What looks like an item of furniture on the plan, blocking the door from the children's room to the box room, is actually two steps.


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Thanks.  BTW, how do you know that?

[lookout]

There were a couple of inner doors locked ? Would Jeremy have locked himself inside the farmhouse making his escape impossible ? I think not.

[lookout]

Thanks.  BTW, how do you know that?

Because Dodger is a friend,or was,of the relatives,Alias.

[Alias]

Because it says so on the plan picture that I linked to.

Also count the steps, it's 3 steps up from the landing to get to the same level as the master bedroom, but only one step up to get from the landing to the level of the kids room. That makes two steps different between kids room and main bedroom.

In reality I was thinking about the bed blocking the door - at least partially.

[lookout]

The actual plan of the killing to my mind,was to keep everyone inside the farmhouse ! To make sure there was no escape route. In other words an inside job. That's the way I see it.

[lookout]

 Sheila wouldn't have had to have fought if both parents had been drugged. June alone took sleeping pills.What was to stop Sheila dropping a couple in the last cup of tea that she made her father ?
Did we ever see the blood results of the parents,beside the grouping.?

[David1819]

There is a thread - 'Was Sheila carried to the main bedroom'. She was very light so I do not see why Jeremy could not have carried her a few feet. Or she was lead, or retreated.

Either way Colin Caffell said she would have shot herself with her children.

Why would Jeremy carry her to that particular spot? why would he while planning the attack feel his sister must be placed in that position? I don't think Jeremy would have considered the location very important 

How could Colin have known that 'she would have shot herself with her children' that's just his opinion. After all he did believe the Shelia had done it at first  if he truly knew that she would die with the Kids he would have blown the case wide open against Jeremy from the start

[scipio_usmc]

I cannot take this seriously. Why would Jeremy "lead" or "carry" (yeah right!) Sheila into the bedroom, literally stepping over the bloddied, dead body of her mother? Risking a terrible scene.

This is a non-starter for me. It didn´t happen this way.

You are under some delusion that just because you choose not to believe something that means it didn't happen.

The simple facts are that either Sheila was already in the bedroom and ran to the other side to try to try to get away from her brother who had a gun, or he lead her to the other side figuring it would give him more room or for some other reason.

You would rather believe that she killed herself without leaving any evidence to indicate she had and to believe the moderator evidence was planted though you have no evidence to establish such and it would be far more complex for a planting to have occurred than for her to have ran to the other side of the room or have been lead there at gunpoint.

People held at gunpoint more often than not do as they are told rather than resist. That is all there is to it.

All the speculation about being carried is pathetic at gunpoint she can be shoved or would walk on her own accord. 

[tyler]

The location where Sheila was found used to bother me a lot. But not anymore. I guess it is perfectly plausible that (with JB as the perp) that Sheila rushed to the childrens room and was followed/chased and therefore tried to flee through adjoining box room into master bedroom. And was unfortunately caught. She may not have tried to fight off her attacker as she may have been frozen with fear and shock,especially if she had seen her boys and they were already dead?

[Alias]

Scipio is back - I lost the desire to post again. So much hate, yes, hate dripping from those long winded, boring posts.

[Adam]

Why would Jeremy carry her to that particular spot? why would he while planning the attack feel his sister must be placed in that position? I don't think Jeremy would have considered the location very important 

How could Colin have known that 'she would have shot herself with her children' that's just his opinion. After all he did believe the Shelia had done it at first  if he truly knew that she would die with the Kids he would have blown the case wide open against Jeremy from the start

Why not that spot ?

She had to be taken somewhere as she had to be out of her bedroom. Downstairs was too far, so the only options were with June or the twins.

Or she may have gone to the main bedroom herself.
 
 

[lookout]

Because it's been said that Sheila was drugged up to the hilt. Incapable of putting up a fight,a feeble female,etc etc,then why oh why didn't she gather both her sons and go to her own bedroom where the three of them could die together ? Even a killer would have worked that out as being more of a suicide plan than what had actually happened.
If it had been Jeremy,he'd have guided or taken Sheila to die with her sons.
If it had been Jeremy,they'd have ALL been dead by midnight that night------in their beds. Doesn't a gunman have the upper hand ? Of course they do,against 2 children and 2 pensioners and a feeble female.

[scipio_usmc]

Because it's been said that Sheila was drugged up to the hilt. Incapable of putting up a fight,a feeble female,etc etc,then why oh why didn't she gather both her sons and go to her own bedroom where the three of them could die together ? Even a killer would have worked that out as being more of a suicide plan than what had actually happened.
If it had been Jeremy,he'd have guided or taken Sheila to die with her sons.
If it had been Jeremy,they'd have ALL been dead by midnight that night------in their beds. Doesn't a gunman have the upper hand ? Of course they do,against 2 children and 2 pensioners and a feeble female.

If Jeremy took her to her son's room and they were alive they could wake up and run away and screw things up. In fact she could decide to fight back to save her kids and ruin the entire effort to make it look like she killed herself. 

If they were already dead and she saw them dead she would have less reason to comply with his demands and have a reason to fight back. Telling her he would kill them unless she cooperated would be the most effective way of controlling her. 

Moreover, if he staged her body with the boys that would suggest she killed the boys after her parents.  That means Colin would get the estates. As the killer she could not collect and is considered to have predeceased those she killed. WIht her father killed first then mother that means the heirs were the twins. Upon their death the estates go to their heirs at law.  Staging her body with June suggests June died last. Jeremy was June's only living heir...