Neville calling Jeremy. A time for closure ?

[Jan]

Where is your proof of that?
And if he did: two wrongs don´t make a right, ever hear that, Adam? Sometimes you come across as totally insensitive.
You are very harsh on Jeremy - fair enough if you think he is guilty; but I never heard anything but foul language about Sheila out of your mouth, so to speak. I have never heard you express any form of compassion for the victims.

I totally agree with your post. Its like banging your head against a brick wall . A lot of non pc language was used by the police as well , but it does not mean we keep repeating it. Its not necessary .

[scipio_usmc]

The judge was a nincompoop. The reason Nevill phoned Jeremy should be obvious even to the most idiotic numbskull. The only reason they don't believe it is because they want to believe Jeremy is guilty. And that is the ONLY reason. For if they were to acknowledge that phone call then it would mean Jeremy is innocent of the crime. So they only way for them is to deny it giving silly and foolish reasons as to why he wouldn't call him. A very easy thing to deny I should say. Why? Oh because it was never meant to be an alibi for Jeremy that's why.

This is a perfect example of how biased and irraitonal you are.

Not a single Jeremy supporter is willing to actually discuss the points raised by Adam let alone attempt to debate/refute the points.

Instead you just ignore them and make the unsupported statement it is obvious why Nevill would call Jeremy.

It is not obvious to a rational person which is one of the reasons why the jury chose not to believe the call never happened and why unbiased people who look at the case rationally don't believe it.

You even quit the board (returnig as I predicted though) because you admitted that Sheila would not have even known how to "charge" the rifle.

The allegation is she was there in the kitchen with him and grabbed the weapon.  He would have seen as plain as day she didn't charge it and thus that it could not have harmed him if she actually grabbed the gun in his presence as Jeremy supporters claim.

If she didn't grab it in his presence and had to get it from the closet then went and woke up Nevill and June in their bedroom then obviously  the call never happened because she would have opened fire then and there not have gone to the kitchen with Nevill and June to stay in bed sleeping.

More significantly though we know for a fact SHeila didn't load or fire the weapon nor did she beat anyone because the physical evidence establishes this.  Since she never loaded or fired the weapon and was killed by someone else that means she didn't threaten Nevill with a gun or run around crazy so Nevill had no reaosn to call Jeremy claiming she did.  Jeremy supporters choose the evidence that proves she didn't kill anyone including herself but the jury didn't.

Jeremy supporters like to ignore the foundation of our legal system which is the concept of reasonableness.  Someone is to be proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.  What reasonableness enails is looking at the evidence and deciding what is reasonably likely to have occurred based thereupon.

It is reasonably likely for Nevill to call Jeremy period for help?  No because of the things Adam mentions plus the fact SHeila did not do anything to warrant him calling plus considerable evidence Jeremy framed Sheila including Julie's testimony which included the assertion he told her in advance he planned to claim he received a call from WHF to establish his alibi. Furtherore Jeremy's actions demonstrate he didn't receive such a call because someone reciving such a clal would rush over or immediately dial 999. He called Julie then lied and falsely claimed he called police before Julie because he knew if he told the truth he called Julie first then they would know he was lying about receiving a call from Nevill.

Why would Nevill need Jeremy to help talk Sheila down?  As Adam pointed out Jeremy would have made her more angry not have helped calm her down. Indeed, Jeremy told police this when they asked if he would be of help talking her down with them.

Why would Nevill need Jeremy to help disarm her?  Nevill was bigger and stronger than Jeremy so Jeremy didn't have some physical ability Nevill lacked.

Moreover, Nevill would have had both the need and opportunity to disarm her.  Nevill was there at the scene thus able to ambush her. Jeremy would take 15-20 minutes to arrive why would Nevill decide it is ok to wait for Jeremy if he were so scared/  He would take action himself.

If too scared to act himself then he would call 999.

If too scared to take her on barehanded even though she didn't even know how to charge the wepaon or know she needed to charge the weapon, he could have armed himself. The kitchen had knives, guns and other potentional weapons. He was too scared to get a weapon and wanted Jeremy to come instead and put his life on the line to save them?  Ludicrous if so scared he would have called 999.

Indeed Nevill would nto have even expect Jeremy to answer.  Jeremy's answering machine woudl pick up before Jeremy could wake up, get out of bed and walke down the stairs to answer his phone if it even woke him up.  Jeremy's claim he was sleeping like a log but managed to answer the phone before the answering machine picked up is not credible.

Nor is Jeremy's fairytale about getting the gun out to shoot rabbits and leaving it and the bullets out credible, he made up this tale quite obviously and staged the bullets after the murders.  He even left too many bullets for his story to have been true. 

One has to be totally irrational or too biased to be interested in accepting the truth to overlook all the evidence tha tproves no call happened. If you want to be that biased be my guest but calling people names for being rational instea dof like you makes you look even worse.

[Alias]

Not a single Jeremy supporter is willing to actually discuss the points raised by Adam let alone attempt to debate/refute the points.

Instead you just ignore them and make the unsupported statement it is obvious why Nevill would call Jeremy.

Not true. I have answered. Maybe you or Adam don´t agree with what I have said, well, I know you don´t, but you can´t both keep moaning about no answers when they are there.

[Jan]

This is a perfect example of how biased and irraitonal you are.

Not a single Jeremy supporter is willing to actually discuss the points raised by Adam let alone attempt to debate/refute the points.

Instead you just ignore them and make the unsupported statement it is obvious why Nevill would call Jeremy.

It is not obvious to a rational person which is one of the reasons why the jury chose not to believe the call never happened and why unbiased people who look at the case rationally don't believe it.

You even quit the board (returnig as I predicted though) because you admitted that Sheila would not have even known how to "charge" the rifle.

The allegation is she was there in the kitchen with him and grabbed the weapon.  He would have seen as plain as day she didn't charge it and thus that it could not have harmed him if she actually grabbed the gun in his presence as Jeremy supporters claim.

If she didn't grab it in his presence and had to get it from the closet then went and woke up Nevill and June in their bedroom then obviously  the call never happened because she would have opened fire then and there not have gone to the kitchen with Nevill and June to stay in bed sleeping.

More significantly though we know for a fact SHeila didn't load or fire the weapon nor did she beat anyone because the physical evidence establishes this.  Since she never loaded or fired the weapon and was killed by someone else that means she didn't threaten Nevill with a gun or run around crazy so Nevill had no reaosn to call Jeremy claiming she did.  Jeremy supporters choose the evidence that proves she didn't kill anyone including herself but the jury didn't.

Jeremy supporters like to ignore the foundation of our legal system which is the concept of reasonableness.  Someone is to be proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.  What reasonableness enails is looking at the evidence and deciding what is reasonably likely to have occurred based thereupon.

It is reasonably likely for Nevill to call Jeremy period for help?  No because of the things Adam mentions plus the fact SHeila did not do anything to warrant him calling plus considerable evidence Jeremy framed Sheila including Julie's testimony which included the assertion he told her in advance he planned to claim he received a call from WHF to establish his alibi. Furtherore Jeremy's actions demonstrate he didn't receive such a call because someone reciving such a clal would rush over or immediately dial 999. He called Julie then lied and falsely claimed he called police before Julie because he knew if he told the truth he called Julie first then they would know he was lying about receiving a call from Nevill.

Why would Nevill need Jeremy to help talk Sheila down?  As Adam pointed out Jeremy would have made her more angry not have helped calm her down. Indeed, Jeremy told police this when they asked if he would be of help talking her down with them.

Why would Nevill need Jeremy to help disarm her?  Nevill was bigger and stronger than Jeremy so Jeremy didn't have some physical ability Nevill lacked.

Moreover, Nevill would have had both the need and opportunity to disarm her.  Nevill was there at the scene thus able to ambush her. Jeremy would take 15-20 minutes to arrive why would Nevill decide it is ok to wait for Jeremy if he were so scared/  He would take action himself.

If too scared to act himself then he would call 999.

If too scared to take her on barehanded even though she didn't even know how to charge the wepaon or know she needed to charge the weapon, he could have armed himself. The kitchen had knives, guns and other potentional weapons. He was too scared to get a weapon and wanted Jeremy to come instead and put his life on the line to save them?  Ludicrous if so scared he would have called 999.

Indeed Nevill would nto have even expect Jeremy to answer.  Jeremy's answering machine woudl pick up before Jeremy could wake up, get out of bed and walke down the stairs to answer his phone if it even woke him up.  Jeremy's claim he was sleeping like a log but managed to answer the phone before the answering machine picked up is not credible.

Nor is Jeremy's fairytale about getting the gun out to shoot rabbits and leaving it and the bullets out credible, he made up this tale quite obviously and staged the bullets after the murders.  He even left too many bullets for his story to have been true. 

One has to be totally irrational or too biased to be interested in accepting the truth to overlook all the evidence tha tproves no call happened. If you want to be that biased be my guest but calling people names for being rational instea dof like you makes you look even worse.

Not true - just do a search on his many threads - we have discussed and put our points of view many many many times in the past.And the subjects are exactly the same as before they are just paraphrased slightly differently .

[Jane]

Not a single Jeremy supporter is willing to actually discuss the points raised by Adam let alone attempt to debate/refute the points.

Perhaps you haven't considered that "not a single Jeremy supporter" OR even UNsupporter, actually wants to enter into discussions with Adam if they can avoid doing so. Perhaps you'd failed to notice that ALL of us, supporters and UNsupporters alike, are more than happy to discuss the case with Steve_uk who doesn't use every opportunity to mock victims -using unacceptable names when referring to Sheila and frequently questioning Neville's intelligence- and posters. Perhaps you don't know that Adam's own refusal to change his approach has earned him three bans, ONE of which was requested by members.

[scipio_usmc]

Perhaps you haven't considered that "not a single Jeremy supporter" OR even UNsupporter, actually wants to enter into discussions with Adam if they can avoid doing so. Perhaps you'd failed to notice that ALL of us, supporters and UNsupporters alike, are more than happy to discuss the case with Steve_uk who doesn't use every opportunity to mock victims -using unacceptable names when referring to Sheila and frequently questioning Neville's intelligence- and posters. Perhaps you don't know that Adam's own refusal to change his approach has earned him three bans, ONE of which was requested by members.

Most of his points came from me and were raised by me here countless times.  No one has addressed them.  I of course included more that likewise have not been addressed let alone refuted.

[Jane]

Most of his points came from me and were raised by me here countless times.  No one has addressed them.  I of course included more that likewise have not been addressed let alone refuted.

If you've already raised the points it becomes totally unnecessary for Adam to repeat them. You might find it advantageous to confine your points to paragraphs as opposed to chapters. There is the added point that if, by the way you post, you put peoples backs up from BOTH sides of the divide, they'll probably ignore you.

[Adam]

Perhaps you haven't considered that "not a single Jeremy supporter" OR even UNsupporter, actually wants to enter into discussions with Adam if they can avoid doing so. Perhaps you'd failed to notice that ALL of us, supporters and UNsupporters alike, are more than happy to discuss the case with Steve_uk who doesn't use every opportunity to mock victims -using unacceptable names when referring to Sheila and frequently questioning Neville's intelligence- and posters. Perhaps you don't know that Adam's own refusal to change his approach has earned him three bans, ONE of which was requested by members.

Ahhh. The resurfacing of the poster who only posts to or about me.

Only you requested a ban after I responded (in one post) to Nugs savage and unprovoked attack on me when I was off line. Unlike Nugs I didn't swear. Hopefully he will apologise. It was not my fault his police quote was made up.

Why don't you create a thread saying why you changed from 29 years innocent, to guilty ? Rather than refusing to give a reason. It will at least create discussion. You say you don't like my discussion threads.

[scipio_usmc]

If you've already raised the points it becomes totally unnecessary for Adam to repeat them. You might find it advantageous to confine your points to paragraphs as opposed to chapters. There is the added point that if, by the way you post, you put peoples backs up from BOTH sides of the divide, they'll probably ignore you.

Jeremy supporters here are like broken records not just Adam so singling him out doesn't really work. In this particualr instance Adam is raising things not answered.  In contrast Jeremy supporters often bring up the same claims already previously proven wrong or discussed into the ground.

This is one of his threads that actually has significant points that he has the right to keep raising until they are addressed.

[Jane]

Jeremy supporters here are like broken records not just Adam so singling him out doesn't really work. In this particualr instance Adam is raising things not answered.  In contrast Jeremy supporters often bring up the same claims already previously proven wrong or discussed into the ground.

This is one of his threads that actually has significant points that he has the right to keep raising until they are addressed.

If posters wish to do the broken record thing, it's their prerogative. They don't have to be responded to. I don't see any of them whining if no one discusses it, however, you CAN take it from me that SOME of the points raised by Adam, HAVE been discussed and when the discussion has been ignored because Adam doesn't agree with what's been said and he goes on repeating the question, people become more than a little irritated.

[Jan]

Jeremy supporters here are like broken records not just Adam so singling him out doesn't really work. In this particualr instance Adam is raising things not answered.  In contrast Jeremy supporters often bring up the same claims already previously proven wrong or discussed into the ground.

This is one of his threads that actually has significant points that he has the right to keep raising until they are addressed.

And we have the right to answer them once - not a hundred times.

Which we have done .

[scipio_usmc]

And we have the right to answer them once - not a hundred times.

Which we have done .

Not answering them seriously undermines the ability to claim he is innocent and that the call happened. To be able to make a decent case of his innocence requires refuting the evidence against him and the points I raised are a big part of the case against him.

[Jan]

Not answering them seriously undermines the ability to claim he is innocent and that the call happened. To be able to make a decent case of his innocence requires refuting the evidence against him and the points I raised are a big part of the case against him.

We have answered them seriously on other threads. That's the point.

[Jane]

Not answering them seriously undermines the ability to claim he is innocent and that the call happened. To be able to make a decent case of his innocence requires refuting the evidence against him and the points I raised are a big part of the case against him.

So are you saying that, irrelevant of the sarcasm, goadingand disrespectfulness of Adam's posts, it's inclement upon us to answer him seriously

[Adam]

And we have the right to answer them once - not a hundred times.

Which we have done .

Well this thread had 40 facts why Neville would not call Jeremy. Sadly none were addressed.