Jeremy's court testimony:

[Adam]

He said he was experienced with guns. And had no difficulty using the murder weapon.

Sheila had limited experience with guns. 

There were fostering conversations on the night. Sheila was silent and not paying attention.

He denied cycling to WHF to commit the massacre.

He had been unfair in using Julie for emotional support and bringing her to WHF on the massacre morning.

His relationship with June was poor. They would antagonise each other. There was a lack of understanding.

When his phone was answered 'it was dad'. Jeremy started crying.

He said the call to Chelmsford police station lasted 5 minutes.

He said he rang Julie at 3am for 'a friendly ear'.

He drove so slowly to WHF as he did not want to arrive  before the police.

He said he knew how to get in and out of the bathroom window at WHF.

He said he saw Sheila punch the twins. Once.

He robbed the caravan site to show security problems. But admitted he should not have spent the money. He did so out of greed.

He agreed with Mary Mugfords testimony about his poor relationship with June.

He said James Richards and everyone lied about him. Because of the way the media had portrayed him.

He liked the good things in life. And had read the wills which tied him to the farm to inherit.

He should not have left the gun lying around and it would have taken seconds to put away. He had been 'lackadaisical' saying 'I didn't know what was going to happen, did I ?'.

Accused of lying he said 'that is what you have to establish'.

As more pressure was put on, his answers became shorter - don't know, can't pin myself, I can't answer.

It did not enter his head to dial 999.

The relationship with Julie had been in decline since Xmas 84. He had been unfaithful before, which Julie knew about. He ended the relationship in a restaraunt.

He had spent freely after the massacre and drank champagne on the funeral evening.

[lookout]

 Oh God,more propaganda !
 Though no more a propagandist than Scipio. I just think he's dangerous--------not clever !!
 Doesn't work for me though,thankfully.

[Adam]

Oh God,more propaganda !
 Though no more a propagandist than Scipio. I just think he's dangerous--------not clever !!
 Doesn't work for me though,thankfully.

Not a 'thank you' ?

That took 15 minutes to compile.

[Jane]

Not a 'thank you' ?

That took 15 minutes to compile.

And I feel certain that every one of them gave you enormous gratification.

[lookout]

Not a 'thank you' ?

That took 15 minutes to compile.

Are you for real ?? What do want---------a medal ?

[Jan]

He said he was experienced with guns. And had no difficulty using the murder weapon.

Sheila had limited experience with guns. 

There were fostering conversations on the night. Sheila was silent and not paying attention.

He denied cycling to WHF to commit the massacre.

He had been unfair in using Julie for emotional support and bringing her to WHF on the massacre morning.

His relationship with June was poor. They would antagonise each other. There was a lack of understanding.

When his phone was answered 'it was dad'. Jeremy started crying.

He said the call to Chelmsford police station lasted 5 minutes.

He said he rang Julie at 3am for 'a friendly ear'.

He drove so slowly to WHF as he did not want to arrive  before the police.

He said he knew how to get in and out of the bathroom window at WHF.

He said he saw Sheila punch the twins. Once.

He robbed the caravan site to show security problems. But admitted he should not have spent the money. He did so out of greed.

He agreed with Mary Mugfords testimony about his poor relationship with June.

He said James Richards and everyone lied about him. Because of the way the media had portrayed him.

He liked the good things in life. And had read the wills which tied him to the farm to inherit.

He should not have left the gun lying around and it would have taken seconds to put away. He had been 'lackadaisical' saying 'I didn't know what was going to happen, did I ?'.

Accused of lying he said 'that is what you have to establish'.

As more pressure was put on, his answers became shorter - don't know, can't pin myself, I can't answer.

It did not enter his head to dial 999.

The relationship with Julie had been in decline since Xmas 84. He had been unfaithful before, which Julie knew about. He ended the relationship in a restaraunt.

He had spent freely after the massacre and drank champagne on the funeral evening.

show us the actual court testimony -because I don't believe that is on this site? I have never seen the proof of all of what you have posted.

[Adam]

show us the actual court testimony -because I don't believe that is on this site? I have never seen the proof of all of what you have posted.

It is in Wilkes's book.

[Mr. Gee]

He said he was experienced with guns. And had no difficulty using the murder weapon.

Sheila had limited experience with guns. 

There were fostering conversations on the night. Sheila was silent and not paying attention.

He denied cycling to WHF to commit the massacre.

He had been unfair in using Julie for emotional support and bringing her to WHF on the massacre morning.

His relationship with June was poor. They would antagonise each other. There was a lack of understanding.

When his phone was answered 'it was dad'. Jeremy started crying.

He said the call to Chelmsford police station lasted 5 minutes.

He said he rang Julie at 3am for 'a friendly ear'.

He drove so slowly to WHF as he did not want to arrive  before the police.

He said he knew how to get in and out of the bathroom window at WHF.

He said he saw Sheila punch the twins. Once.

He robbed the caravan site to show security problems. But admitted he should not have spent the money. He did so out of greed.

He agreed with Mary Mugfords testimony about his poor relationship with June.

He said James Richards and everyone lied about him. Because of the way the media had portrayed him.

He liked the good things in life. And had read the wills which tied him to the farm to inherit.

He should not have left the gun lying around and it would have taken seconds to put away. He had been 'lackadaisical' saying 'I didn't know what was going to happen, did I ?'.

Accused of lying he said 'that is what you have to establish'.

As more pressure was put on, his answers became shorter - don't know, can't pin myself, I can't answer.

It did not enter his head to dial 999.

The relationship with Julie had been in decline since Xmas 84. He had been unfaithful before, which Julie knew about. He ended the relationship in a restaraunt.

He had spent freely after the massacre and drank champagne on the funeral evening.

What, more whistling in the dark whilst stopping your ears?

[Jan]

It is in Wilkes's book.

is this "word for word" or have you shortened ? Also is the full testimony in the book or has the author picked and chosen bits?

[Patti]

Not a 'thank you' ?

That took 15 minutes to compile.

LOL.........................

[Patti]

He said he was experienced with guns. And had no difficulty using the murder weapon.

One years experience, I think?

Sheila had limited experience with guns. 

We are unsure of that, for she lived on farm where guns were kept and attended a shoot in Scotland as a beater with her husband Colin

There were fostering conversations on the night. Sheila was silent and not paying attention.

So Jeremy has said in his statement

He denied cycling to WHF to commit the massacre.

There is no solid proof the bike was used at all. There are no witnesses.

He had been unfair in using Julie for emotional support and bringing her to WHF on the massacre morning.

Julie did not go to WHF on the morning of the tragedies. Not sure where you got that from Adam?   


His relationship with June was poor. They would antagonise each other. There was a lack of understanding.

We are not privy to know for sure this is true. However,Jeremy does state in his statement that their had been a lack of understanding over the last few years due to his mother turning to religion.

When his phone was answered 'it was dad'. Jeremy started crying.

What?

He said the call to Chelmsford police station lasted 5 minutes.

I don't think anyone had a stop watch and timed any call its an estimated guess?

He said he rang Julie at 3am for 'a friendly ear'.

We don't know the exact time of that call either Adam.

He drove so slowly to WHF as he did not want to arrive  before the police.

He was told to wait for the police and not to go there alone. I don't see anything out of the ordinary about this.

He said he knew how to get in and out of the bathroom window at WHF.

Yes he did, he told the police there were many ways to get in and out.

He said he saw Sheila punch the twins. Once.

I have no seen where he said that?

He robbed the caravan site to show security problems. But admitted he should not have spent the money. He did so out of greed.

Along with Julie.

He agreed with Mary Mugfords testimony about his poor relationship with June.

He said James Richards and everyone lied about him. Because of the way the media had portrayed him.

He liked the good things in life. And had read the wills which tied him to the farm to inherit.

He should not have left the gun lying around and it would have taken seconds to put away. He had been 'lackadaisical' saying 'I didn't know what was going to happen, did I ?'.

Accused of lying he said 'that is what you have to establish'.

As more pressure was put on, his answers became shorter - don't know, can't pin myself, I can't answer.

It did not enter his head to dial 999.

The relationship with Julie had been in decline since Xmas 84. He had been unfaithful before, which Julie knew about. He ended the relationship in a restaraunt.

He had spent freely after the massacre and drank champagne on the funeral evening.

I could go on Adam but I have to nip to the dentist....'I'll be back 

[Jan]

He said he was experienced with guns. And had no difficulty using the rifle murder weapon. True -he had experience with guns

Sheila had limited experience with guns.  - He thought she had gone shooting with her father and in Scotland - so true

There were fostering conversations on the night. Sheila was silent and not paying attention.- True he would have said that and  the possibility of that conversation is backed up by other evidence

He denied cycling to WHF to commit the massacre. 

He had been unfair in using Julie for emotional support and bringing her to WHF on the massacre morning. WHY - What was the question behind that answer?

His relationship with June was poor. They would antagonise each other. There was a lack of understanding. In the [past - I don't think this is the FULL answer

When his phone was answered 'it was dad'. Jeremy started crying. ?? Explain this bit does not make sense

He said the call to Chelmsford police station lasted 5 minutes. - and?

He said he rang Julie at 3am for 'a friendly ear'. - So?

He drove so slowly to WHF as he did not want to arrive  before the police. so?

He said he knew how to get in and out of the bathroom window at WHF. YEs we know that - but he said it was NOT possible to lock it from the outside

He said he saw Sheila punch the twins. Once. - yes in his statements

He robbed the caravan site to show security problems. But admitted he should not have spent the money. He did so out of greed. Wow

He agreed with Mary Mugfords testimony about his poor relationship with June. see above in the past

He said James Richards and everyone lied about him. Because of the way the media had portrayed him. -like to see those exact words in testimony - but I expect that was his perception

He liked the good things in life. And had read the wills which tied him to the farm to inherit. - I think this is an extract not the full wording -- if he was tied to the farm than he would not have to red the full wills, plus he had access to the family safe so he must have been trusted

He should not have left the gun lying around and it would have taken seconds to put away. He had been 'lackadaisical' saying 'I didn't know what was going to happen, did I ?'. so

Accused of lying he said 'that is what you have to establish'. - If you read the full transcript of questioning its pretty obvious why he said that

As more pressure was put on, his answers became shorter - don't know, can't pin myself, I can't answer.  ?? That happens a lot when the police are telling you lies and twisting you in circles- its why interviews are taped now

It did not enter his head to dial 999. - Yes - his family liked to keep Sheilas illness private and he did not know that any shots would be fired - so???

The relationship with Julie had been in decline since Xmas 84. He had been unfaithful before, which Julie knew about. He ended the relationship in a restaraunt. - I  thought you said she was not jilted - several times and if it was in decline why on earth would he tell her about his plans?

He had spent freely after the massacre and drank champagne on the funeral evening. - And? that happens at a lot of funerals/wakes - my FIL went to one recently where they drank a whole bottle of Jack Daniels between two

So your point of the thread is ?

[Jan]

  great minds think alike

I think Adam has just shown that Jeremys testimony was very honest

[guest154]

He's just posting Jeremy's court testimony, don't think he is saying if it makes Jeremy look guilty or innocent, but just that this is what he said in court.

[Jan]

He's just posting Jeremy's court testimony, don't think he is saying if it makes Jeremy look guilty or innocent, but just that this is what he said in court.

I would still say they are extracts of sentences out of context - I would be interested to see more of his testimony though. And the questions he was asked in court by prosecution and defence.