A Call To Essex Police From Neville? - The poll

[Mr. Gee]

However, if the whole story about his father's call to him is fictitious he would have known there was no call made to the police -other than his own- but innocent or guilty it was still worth a shot.

I think thegoverning word there is "IF".

[No-Bits]

In seeking (further) clarification of the above we can ascertain that he saw A body -not 2- which he FIRST mistook to be female, but later -as he said in his original statement- discovered it was the body of an adult male, ie, Neville Bamber. Seems clear enough to me.

Yes a single body, the same body.

[Jane]

I'll post it, I don't think people will find it so bad. 

You can see the dishwasher, the window is just out of shot to the left, above the kitchen sink.
I think from the view that Collins had, it's very simple to understand why he mistook the body for that of a female.

Given that all that's visible is a back view and long crown hair which has fallen forward over the face, a first and distant impression COULD have been that the body was female.

[Caroline]

I think thegoverning word there is "IF".

IF is only a governing word IF you believe it happened.

[No-Bits]

Given that all that's visible is a back view and long crown hair which has fallen forward over the face, a first and distant impression COULD have been that the body was female.

Not only COULD, but according to Collins, it in fact WAS. 

[ngb1066]

I have see this photograph, not just the photocopy shown here.  Without going into details there is far more visible.  I accept that a brief glimpse of the view from the rear might have led to the mistaken conclusion that the body was that of a women, but that is far less likely than might appear from this poor quality photocopy.

This remains an aspect of the case which troubles me.

[No-Bits]

I have see this photograph, not just the photocopy shown here.  Without going into details there is far more visible.  I accept that a brief glimpse of the view from the rear might have led to the mistaken conclusion that the body was that of a women, but that is far less likely than might appear from this poor quality photocopy.

This remains an aspect of the case which troubles me.

The trouble with that NGB, is that the alternative is preposterous.

I also am aware of somebody else who has seen the original, and their view was that it is even MORE apparent that not only could a person misidentify the gender of the body, they deemed it likely that a person WOULD misidentify the gender from that view.

I guess that's the fun of opinions. 

[nugnug]

thats of course if he did miss indentify the body and mistanly write female instead of male in his notes.

[maggie]

Why have you used the word 'definitely'?

He said and I quote: "I first thought and reported that this was the body of a female person".

Well he originally stated it was a woman so understand at that point he believed the body was definitely a woman, not may be a woman, not sure etc. In hindsight he admits he did believe she was a woman although now he knows, believes whatever the body was that of a man. ??

[No-Bits]

Well he originally stated it was a woman so understand at that point he believed the body was definitely a woman, not may be a woman, not sure etc. In hindsight he admits he did believe she was a woman although now he knows, believes whatever the body was that of a man. ??

It's splitting hairs, but no. He 'thought' it was a female body and reported it.

The fact that he was mistaken and it turned out to be that of a male is irrelevant.

[maggie]

It's splitting hairs, but no. He 'thought' it was a female body and reported it.

The fact that he was mistaken and it turned out to be that of a male is irrelevant.

Its not just splitting hairs harters he STATED it was a female body what he 'thought' at that point was irrelevant.

[No-Bits]

Its not just splitting hairs harters he STATED it was a female body what he 'thought' at that point was irrelevant.

No he DIDN'T!

He stated that he: "I first thought and reported that this was the body of a female person"

At no point, does he ever say that he was certain or definite. 'But' even if he had, thirty seconds later he found out that he was mistaken.

As I said, it is splitting hairs.

[tyler]

I can go with the mix up re: female body and even the further 3 bodies found upstairs - just. However,I have never seen a plausible explanation for the male and female found in kitchen described as a murder AND a suicide. How could Nevill's lone body possibly be described as both?

[maggie]

No he DIDN'T!

He stated that he: "I first thought and reported that this was the body of a female person"

At no point, does he ever say that he was certain or definite. 'But' even if he had, thirty seconds later he found out that he was mistaken.
As I said, it is splitting hairs.

Goodness harters so he didnt use that word, I simply cant be bothered with this any more.

[scipio_usmc]

If you are honest and there's no reason to think you aren't you must be able to see how simple things and ordinary mistakes that are attributed to Bamber are always made to look evil acts of deceit by the guilters. I am surprised that you don't see it quite frankly?

What honest mistakes?

How can it just be an honest mistake that he remembered things that never happened?

It was an honest mistake he originally told police he had trained Sheila how to use the murder weapon and that she had fired all weapons in the house though he later admitted this had not happened?

It was an honest mistake that he told police he called Julie after police though he clearly left after hanging up with police?

It was an honest mistake that he told police he had not used the gun the week prior to the murders but later change dhis story to he and Nevill repeatedly using the gun the week before the murders so as to prevent AP from being the last known user? 

It was an honest mistake there were too many bullets remaining in the kitchen for such supply to have been the sole source of ammunition used in the murders if his claims were true?

It was an honest mistake that he told police the gun could not fit in the closet with the scope and moderator attached though it could?

It was an honest mistake to say he relaced the phone in the kitchen with the bedroom phone because the kitchen phone borke when in fact the kitchen phone worked fine?

These are the things raised to show he was being dishonest.

Things where honest mistakes could have been made were not raised such as the conflicting story of whether he claimed to have fired the gun. Some police and relatives say he told them he fired the gun while others say he clamied he didn't.  While it is possible he told them initially he fired and then changed his story it is also possible that they assumed used meant fired and that he was never intending to claim it was fired.  So he is given a pass for such and similar like things where genine errors could account for the discrepancies.