A Call To Essex Police From Neville? - The poll

[nugnug]

dont forget they had all been up all night.

[Jane]

We are told that Pc Collins went up to the kitchen window and looked in, so the whole interior of the kitchen was nearby. Various officers stated that the kitchen light was on, so visibility would have been very good.

Should have gone to Spec Savers perhaps? Other opticians provide a similar service

[No-Bits]

For whatever reason, he mistook Neville's body for that of a female. I can quite easily see how a quick glance in the kitchen, before ducking back behind cover, he could have come to the conclusion that he did, with Neville being in an awkward position with his head and relatively long hair dangling down.

This is a link to the only picture we have of Neville, it's black and white so not as gruesome as some pictures, it's up to you if you want to see it.
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=4326;image

Collins appears to be quite clear in what he saw and reported.

[Caroline]

We are told that Pc Collins went up to the kitchen window and looked in, so the whole interior of the kitchen was nearby. Various officers stated that the kitchen light was on, so visibility would have been very good.

That's an assumption. You have no idea what could or couldn't be seen. Unless you're able to look though the same window under the same conditions, you're unable to prove what would or wouldn't be visible.

[maggie]

depends on the light i suppose it really depends what view they had of him.

from a distasnce you can mistake a mans pjama top for a womans.

This is a continual problem invthis case, isn't it nugs. As we weren't there we really cannot tell how much of poor Nevill was visible, we know the kitchen light was definitely on, we know he was wearing pyjamas with the bottoms pulled down but have no idea what was visible and how long Nevill's hair was at that time. Nevill was a big guy with broad shoulders you would wonder if the whole of him was seen and not hidden by the inset by the door you would maybe wonder how he could be mistaken as definitely a woman I would have thought if there was any doubt he would have been described as a perso, sex unclear, or words to that effect?

[Caroline]

For whatever reason, he mistook Neville's body for that of a female. I can quite easily see how a quick glance in the kitchen, before ducking back behind cover, he could have come to the conclusion that he did, with Neville being in an awkward position with his head and relatively long hair dangling down.

This is a link to the only picture we have of Neville, it's black and white so not as gruesome as some pictures, it's up to you if you want to see it.
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=4326;image

Collins appears to be quite clear in what he saw and reported.

Seems pretty clear to me.

[maggie]

For whatever reason, he mistook Neville's body for that of a female. I can quite easily see how a quick glance in the kitchen, before ducking back behind cover, he could have come to the conclusion that he did, with Neville being in an awkward position with his head and relatively long hair dangling down.
This is a link to the only picture we have of Neville, it's black and white so not as gruesome as some pictures, it's up to you if you want to see it.
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=4326;image

Collins appears to be quite clear in what he saw and reported.

I can see how it may have been difficult to be sure even with a full view but reiterate can't see why he was definitely identified as a woman.

[susan]

Caroline as clear as mud to me think a visit to spec savers is called for

[susan]

Caroline absolutely right we are all just guessing really.

[No-Bits]

I can see how it may have been difficult to be sure even with a full view but reiterate can't see why he was definitely identified as a woman.

Why have you used the word 'definitely'?

He said and I quote: "I first thought and reported that this was the body of a female person".

[nugnug]

all it really says to me is they saw the back of his head and not his face.

if his hair looked a bit on the long side they may well of thought he was a woman.

[No-Bits]

all it really says to me is they saw the back of his head and not his face.

if his hair looked a bit on the long side they may well of thought he was a woman.

Did you look at the picture that I provided a link to above?

[Jane]

For whatever reason, he mistook Neville's body for that of a female. I can quite easily see how a quick glance in the kitchen, before ducking back behind cover, he could have come to the conclusion that he did, with Neville being in an awkward position with his head and relatively long hair dangling down.

This is a link to the only picture we have of Neville, it's black and white so not as gruesome as some pictures, it's up to you if you want to see it.
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=4326;image

Collins appears to be quite clear in what he saw and reported.

In seeking (further) clarification of the above we can ascertain that he saw A body -not 2- which he FIRST mistook to be female, but later -as he said in his original statement- discovered it was the body of an adult male, ie, Neville Bamber. Seems clear enough to me.

[nugnug]

Did you look at the picture that I provided a link to above?

yes i cant really make out anything from that picure.

[No-Bits]

I'll post it, I don't think people will find it so bad. 

You can see the dishwasher, the window is just out of shot to the left, above the kitchen sink.
I think from the view that Collins had, it's very simple to understand why he mistook the body for that of a female.