The Week of the Murders

[Jane]

Thank you April for your honest answer - I am always interested to see if it is the "bigger picture" or the small details that change peoples minds.

I did see a comment excusing Julie for her reaction on the night because she was confused by being woken up early in the morning and had probably been smoking cannabis , that's why she changed her mind about the timings and the wording of the call. But no one is willing to apply that reasoning to Jeremy. Perhaps he had smoked pot as well and was not really with it , but did not really want to admit that to the police?

It would be interesting to write a timeline of what apparently happened that night between the alleged calls and the police arriving - if we took the original statements from Jeremy and Julie and the police - but unfortunately Julie changing her mind and the police changing theirs means we can really do that.

I still feel that if Jeremy is innocent then Sheila had not started shooting when Neville  called  - and he did not think she would . He just felt he needed help to calm her .

If Jeremy is guilty - then trying to "set the call" as his alibi seems daft to me - he could just have left them all to be found in the morning - no time of death and the same scenario . And if he was going to use the call I don't think he would have let the police try and confuse him in their questioning because he would have known 100% the time of his call and his call to Julie.

My overwhelming feeling as well is that he would have no way of knowing that as he would be leaving what seems to be such an obviously staged scene that the police would suss out something was wrong straight away - so he would of course be a suspect and therefore his planning would have had to have been so meticulous he would not have made the mistakes that he obviously did.

I know certain posters make a big deal of the bible being on top of the blood and the body having been moved - and I would agree that would be incriminating - but there is the fact that three officers commented about the bible/rifle/head being different in the photos . As much as those comments are being dismissed they did happen and they were experienced officers - why would they comment at all if they did not think there was a problem? If the police moved the body /bible/rifle before the photographs then we are not looking at the original crime scene exactly as it was and I think that could be possible.

IMO

I respect NEARLY everyones opinions on here . Because as we have to remind ourselves because MOST of what is posted is opinions unless there are documents to back it up.


There I of course one other possible scenario that Jeremy could never admit to because it would mean he is guilty and that is that Julie was actually in on everything from the start and was going to benefit financially - but she decided to turn him in because he jilted her . Don't think it is likely - but then again what is logical about murder - nothing as far as I can see.

Jansus, I LOVE the IMO :D At the end of the day, it's all ANY of us can say, isn't it?

Mine, I have to say, is very definitely what you say in your last paragraph. If this is so, the little minx has him well and truly stitched up, hasn't she.

Much has been made of Jeremy not telling the police certain facts because.....................but it seems he may not have told his lawyers either, in which case the fault can't be said to be entirely theirs............unless of course, they omitted to ask pertinent questions. His attitude in court certainly didn't help him and he SHOULD have been warned about it. It was his liberty which was on the line.

[Adam]

Really?

Bearing in mind she is supposedly very much aware of Jeremy's 'ambitions' to have his family murdered, by his own hands or another, I think it's absolutely disgusting that she would volunteer to see the bodies. On fact I think it's pretty sick.

Yes her later decision to testify against Jeremy is admirable, but that doesn't in any way excuse her earlier behaviour.  IMO

I disagree.

It was just after the massacre. She was probably trying to convince herself the man she loved did not commit the massacre.

Everyone was in shock, including Julie. She either volunteered or was asked. No one else stopped her or volunteered.

She was not close family so would not get too upset and be calm enough to be able to identify the bodies.

[No-Bits]

Really?

Bearing in mind she is supposedly very much aware of Jeremy's 'ambitions' to have his family murdered, by his own hands or another, I think it's absolutely disgusting that she would volunteer to see the bodies. In fact I think it's pretty sick.

Yes her later decision to testify against Jeremy is admirable, but that doesn't in any way excuse her earlier behaviour.  IMO

Another way of looking at it, is that Julie was actually in a unique position to prevent the murders, she not only failed in that way, she then went along with the 'story' for another month. It does not reflect well on her in any respect.

I do not know how the surviving relatives view her, but personally I think she should have been charged as an accessory.

If anybody genuinely thinks otherwise, then all I can do is question their logic. 

[Adam]

jansus what I am saying basically for many reasons I think Jeremy Bamber guilty I totally discredit Julie and the silencer evidence and think he was stitched up as I said earlier EP have much to answer for and so has Jeremy Bamber this is only my opinion I could be totally wrong as could many other posters.

The silencer evidence and Julies WS is correct and straight forward.

It is Jeremy and his shrinking support who keep bringing these up as they are big things that prove his guilt. Although there are lots of other things that prove his guilt. 

[Jane]

I cannot see a problem with Julie going to the morgue. In fact it is quite commendable.

She was not family and it seems that no one else wanted to do it. She was in shock and felt she was helping in some way.

IMO, going to identify two children, killed by her boyfriend with her having prior knowledge of his intention, is SICK.

[Jan]

I disagree.

It was just after the massacre. She was probably trying to convince herself the man she loved did not commit the massacre.

Everyone was in shock, including Julie. She either volunteered or was asked. No one else stopped her or volunteered.

She was not close family so would not get too upset and be calm enough to be able to identify the bodies.
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The reason she did the Id was that she was closer to the twins? So I don't get your argument.

And I thought it was her friend that went to the police - not her.

And if he told her for a year he had been planning it I think she had plenty of time.

She was the one who said she knew he had done it . Not me.

[Jane]

She was not close family so would not get too upset and be calm enough to be able to identify the bodies.

Do you simply lack imagination or are you totally devoid of compassion?

[susan]

April I have to agree with you totally sick why can't Adam see this saying it is commendable it is double SICK

[Jan]

I cannot see a problem with Julie going to the morgue. In fact it is quite commendable.

She was not family and it seems that no one else wanted to do it. She was in shock and felt she was helping in some way.

As I said apparently that was not the reason.

[susan]

Adam AE who is a family member went with her she had no need to go and why did she have to ask why their heads were shaved sick sick sick.

[Adam]

IMO, going to identify two children, killed by her boyfriend with her having prior knowledge of his intention, is SICK.

Colin was too upset to identify the bodies. Jeremy was copying Colin's behaviour so was also too upset.

I cannot see a problem with her doing it. But appreciate Jeremy's supporters will try to latch onto it.

[Adam]

I disagree.

It was just after the massacre. She was probably trying to convince herself the man she loved did not commit the massacre.

Everyone was in shock, including Julie. She either volunteered or was asked. No one else stopped her or volunteered.

She was not close family so would not get too upset and be calm enough to be able to identify the bodies.
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The reason she did the Id was that she was closer to the twins? So I don't get your argument.

And I thought it was her friend that went to the police - not her.

And if he told her for a year he had been planning it I think she had plenty of time.

She was the one who said she knew he had done it . Not me.

She was with Liz Rimmington and told her what Jeremy had done. Liz Rimmington rang Stan Jones, while Julie was in the room with her.

If Julie went to identify the bodies to be closer to the twins. Then that's her reason.

Julie said on TV Jeremy liked to say things to shock people. She did not believe he would do it.

[susan]

Adam have you yet not realised that April and myself are no longer Jeremy Bamber supporters so what are you on  about you are just contrary.

[Jane]

Colin was too upset to identify the bodies. Jeremy was copying Colin's behaviour so was also too upset.

I cannot see a problem with her doing it. But appreciate Jeremy's supporters will try to latch onto it.

One doesn't NEED to be a "Jeremy supporter" to believe her actions were sick -she actually said she wanted to go back for a second look to make sure!!!!! I would have thought guilt alone would have prevented her from doing it. I know she speaks of feeling guilty but I guess she had to come up with some reason for keeping her mouth shut for a month.

[Adam]

Do you simply lack imagination or are you totally devoid of compassion?

Hey. I praised you today. After 29 years you have finally decided on the obvious - Jeremy is guilty.

Better late than never I suppose.