Why Would Essex Police Not Mention The Fact That Neville Called The Police?

[Reader]

Asking the question, which included asking about the availability of cars, strongly suggests the intention to contact them to send a car.

[Caroline]

Asking the question, which included asking about the availability of cars, strongly suggests the intention to contact them to send a car.

It does to you in hindsight but there is no reason why Bonnett would think that. West mentions nothing about which cars were sent as a result of his call, Bonnett does (CA07). More than one car turned up, and one of them was CA07 that must have been initiated by Bonnett and the others by West. Like I said, no mystery.

[Reader]

Did you mean "others", as distinct from "other"? Pc West didn't explicitly state which car was sent as a result of his conversation with an officer at Witham, but if Witham told him that car CA07 had already been sent due to information from HQIR, and that another car, CA05, would also be attending the scene, one would expect Pc West to mention both in his evidence. There's nothing to suggest Pc West instigated the sending of any other car. He stated he made only two calls (HQIR and Witham).

[Caroline]

Did you mean "others", as distinct from "other"? Pc West didn't explicitly state which car was sent as a result of his conversation with an officer at Witham, but if Witham told him that car CA07 had already been sent due to information from HQIR, and that another car, CA05, would also be attending the scene, one would expect Pc West to mention both in his evidence. There's nothing to suggest Pc West instigated the sending of any other car. He stated he made only two calls (HQIR and Witham).

Reading BOTH statements again, West does indeed state which car he sent - CA5

[Caroline]

There is quite a big a problem in trying to pass off Bonnett's log as a call from Neville. It's a mistake that relates to both logs, one which Jeremy made in that he couldn't remember his sisters married name (which is odd). BOTH logs refer to Sheila as 'Sheila Bamber' and not Caffell. This along with everything else shows that both logs refer to Jeremy's call - to argue otherwise, is just denial.

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There is quite a big a problem in trying to pass off Bonnett's log as a call from Neville. It's a mistake that relates to both logs, one which Jeremy made in that he couldn't remember his sisters married name (which is odd). BOTH logs refer to Sheila as 'Sheila Bamber' and not Caffell. This along with everything else shows that both logs refer to Jeremy's call - to argue otherwise, is just denial.

all of the information obtained by West from Jeremy is also on Bonnett's sheet including the phone number.

It is readily apparent West messed up in saying he spoke to the Witham dispatcher and told them everything, he obviously told Bonnett everything because Bonnett says so and his log backs such up. 

Jeremy supporters are being extremely devious in that they want to assert that Bonnett's log establishes a call from Nevill and yet they say to ignore all references to Sheila and Jeremy that hose were added later. So they are saying the log can't be trusted and that the log proves their claims in the same breath.

Nevill calling Bonnett before Jeremy called West would have resulted in Bonnett telling West he already knew about the situation because he spoke to Nevill himself which in turn West would have relayed to Jeremy.

Furthermore, it is hard enough to imagine Sheila giving Nevill enough time to call Jeremy.  Where was she supposedly that Nevill even had time to call police as well?  Worse yet why would he call Jeremy at all if he planned to call police within 2 seconds of hanging up on Jeremy? 

The more you look at it the more the claim falls apart which is why not even many Jeremy supporters bother making the allegation. 


   

[lookout]

all of the information obtained by West from Jeremy is also on Bonnett's sheet including the phone number.

It is readily apparent West messed up in saying he spoke to the Witham dispatcher and told them everything, he obviously told Bonnett everything because Bonnett says so and his log backs such up. 

Jeremy supporters are being extremely devious in that they want to assert that Bonnett's log establishes a call from Nevill and yet they say to ignore all references to Sheila and Jeremy that hose were added later. So they are saying the log can't be trusted and that the log proves their claims in the same breath.

Nevill calling Bonnett before Jeremy called West would have resulted in Bonnett telling West he already knew about the situation because he spoke to Nevill himself which in turn West would have relayed to Jeremy.

Furthermore, it is hard enough to imagine Sheila giving Nevill enough time to call Jeremy.  Where was she supposedly that Nevill even had time to call police as well?  Worse yet why would he call Jeremy at all if he planned to call police within 2 seconds of hanging up on Jeremy? 

The more you look at it the more the claim falls apart which is why not even many Jeremy supporters bother making the allegation. 


 

Why do you insist on undermining the fact that Jeremy could be innocent ?
I'm STILL aware that Neville rang the police after having rang Jeremy. Neville would NATURALLY have been in a blind panic ( as anyone would have been ) as initially,before Sheila meant business,he'd possibly thought that Jeremy would have been of assistance.
There were three flights of stairs, so timewise,it would have given Neville the chance to phone while Sheila was upstairs. In such a situation as was,you have to put yourself in the shoes of those deciding what to do for the best. It must have been horrendous for Neville.
The same as Jeremy forgetting his sisters' name,for Christs' sake,it's not every morning you're awakened suddenly with news like that so he was totally unprepared for what was about to follow. This " confusion " had been treated like a crime,as did every movement,etc that Jeremy had made throughout the whole investigation. Vilification at its worst !!

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I'm STILL aware that Neville rang the police after having rang Jeremy

You obviously lack the ability to understand a word you've read in this topic.

What are you basing the phone call to the police off? Because it can't be the document - that clearly says what it is showing and it isn't  a phone call from Neville. So what is you're evidence or are you making things up and there is NO evidence? Yeah thought so.

[lookout]

You obviously lack the ability to understand a word you've read in this topic.

What are you basing the phone call to the police off? Because it can't be the document - that clearly says what it is showing and it isn't  a phone call from Neville. So what is you're evidence or are you making things up and there is NO evidence? Yeah thought so.

I'm basing the call on my own intuition.You don't mind,do you ? Apologies for being different from anyone else,but that's not a crime too,is it ? I'm not going to be drawn into your nasty web of insults and abuse,so take it out on somebody else for a change.
I happen to be an individual with my OWN views--------not a bloody sheep.

[guest154]

I'm basing the call on my own tuition.You don't mind,do you ? Apologies for being different from anyone else,but that's not a crime too,is it ? I'm not going to be drawn into your nasty web of insults and abuse,so take it out on somebody else for a change.
I happen to be an individual with my OWN views--------not a bloody sheep.

It's just strange that your own tuition is favoured over actual proof.

[lookout]

It's just strange that your own tuition is favoured over actual proof.

It HAS been known to work.

[scipio_usmc]

Why do you insist on undermining the fact that Jeremy could be innocent ?

It is not a fact he could be innocent.  The evidence proving his guilt is beyond reproach which is why he will rot in prison till the day he dies.  The notion Sheila killed everyone without getitng any of their blood or GSR on her clothing and body is absurd and she can't have killed herself and then moved her body flat, put the mdoerator away and stuck the bible in a pool of blood that formed after her death.  It is a pip dream that Jeremy is innocent.  From your behavior one would think he was married to you or that you have a crush on him.  You remind me of the guys smitten with Jodi arias who insist she is innocent.

I'm STILL aware that Neville rang the police after having rang Jeremy. Neville would NATURALLY have been in a blind panic ( as anyone would have been ) as initially,before Sheila meant business,he'd possibly thought that Jeremy would have been of assistance.
There were three flights of stairs, so timewise,it would have given Neville the chance to phone while Sheila was upstairs. In such a situation as was,you have to put yourself in the shoes of those deciding what to do for the best. It must have been horrendous for Neville.
The same as Jeremy forgetting his sisters' name,for Christs' sake,it's not every morning you're awakened suddenly with news like that so he was totally unprepared for what was about to follow. This " confusion " had been treated like a crime,as did every movement,etc that Jeremy had made throughout the whole investigation. Vilification at its worst !!

You are not aware that Nevill phoned police, you are baselessly alleging he phoned the police.  You allegation is baseless because there is no evidence at all to support the suggestion.  The suppsed evidence is a log which say Jeremy called police.  The allegation is that this log was doctored and originally indicated that Nevill called.  Anyone can make allegations people lied and things were doctored, just making the allegation is not proof the allegation is true.

The point about Jeremy forgetting Sheila's last name is that it is further proof that Bonnet's log was from information obtained by West from Jeremy.  Bonnet's log contained Sheila Bamber like West's log. 

Asd for putting myself in Nevill's alleged position:

1) Given my size and also my belief that she would not know she needed to chamber a round let alone how I would simply have disarmed her.

2) if I were too scared to do so but were left alone I would arm myself with a gun or a knive or something else to disarm her with.  As a practical matter it is rather easy to disarm someone who has a rifle.  When they are close to you it is easy to be able to knock the gun away from you so it is not aimed at you then to grab it. It is much harder when someone has a handgun because they can shoot you are close distance.  A rifle can't be fired at someone who is right on top of you.

3) If panicked you call 999 not your child to put your child in harms way.

If truly worried you don't wait for help though because it could take too long you try to disarm her not only to save yourself but save your family. She went roaming around the house with a gun but instead of trying to jump her and save my family I just call Jeremy? 

Maybe you should take your own advice and try contemplating what someone would actually do in such situation and what one would do in Jeremy's position had his claims been true.  Teh asnwer is not what Jeremy actually did.

 

[Reader]

Reading BOTH statements again, West does indeed state which car he sent - CA5

Pc West's log mentions both cars (with some details of the occupants of car CA07), but doesn't state which he sent. In his evidence at trial, he doesn't mention CA05, he just says he spoke to Witham and they relayed the information, etc.

all of the information obtained by West from Jeremy is also on Bonnett's sheet including the phone number.

Where is Jeremy's telephone number in Bonnett's log?

[Caroline]

Pc West's log mentions both cars (with some details of the occupants of car CA07), but doesn't state which he sent. In his evidence at trial, he doesn't mention CA05, he just says he spoke to Witham and they relayed the information, etc.
Where is Jeremy's telephone number in Bonnett's log?

And? I still don't know what point you're making? However, if you're still claiming that there were two calls; if one log is Jeremy's and one Neville's - why do both state Sheila's name as 'Bamber'? Jeremy couldn't remember her married name and this carries over in the translation to Bonnet or do you believe they would both forget her married name was Caffell?

[Reader]

Only Pc West gave details of that. We don't know whether Nevill forgot or whether he simply thought of Sheila as Sheila Bamber, given that she was no longer with Colin.

According to Pc West's log, Jeremy's father had said, "Please come over your sister has gone crazy & has the gun." In contrast, Bonnett's log gives the wording "daughter Sheila Bamber, aged 26 yrs has got hold of one of my guns" and makes no mention of Jeremy being asked to come over.