Grannie Speakman :

[Adam]

There is nothing to suggest Jeremy was especially close to MS.

He was in boarding school during his childhood, before spending 14 months abroad. Upon his return he left WHF before reluctantly returning. So doubt that he saw much of MS.

Jeremy had a very poor relationship with his family. Decades later he has made press statements trying to deny this, but has never mentioned his grandmother. It is doubtful he had a poor or good relationship with MS, he simply did not see her enough to have any sort of relationship.

Anyway, the main point is there is no reason why MS would give Jeremy a large slice of her will & bypass other, closer relatives.

[Jane]

There is nothing to suggest Jeremy was especially close to MS.

He was in boarding school during his childhood, before spending 14 months abroad. Upon his return he left WHF before reluctantly returning. So doubt that he saw much of MS.

Jeremy had a very poor relationship with his family. Decades later he has made press statements trying to deny this, but has never mentioned his grandmother. It is doubtful he had a poor relationship with MB, he simply did not see her enough to have any sort of relationship.

Anyway, the main point is there is no reason why MS would give Jeremy a large slice of her will.

Adam, you seem to fail to recognize bonding. If Granny had adored Jeremy as a baby, it wouldn't have been necessary for him to DO anything. A parent's/grandparent's love for a child is (generally) unconditional. It may sadden them later if they don't get to see as much of that child as they would like, but they don't stop loving them. It's my experience, from working with families, that, generally, what is sown, is reaped.

[Adam]

Adam, you seem to fail to recognize bonding. If Granny had adored Jeremy as a baby, it wouldn't have been necessary for him to DO anything. A parent's/grandparent's love for a child is (generally) unconditional. It may sadden them later if they don't get to see as much of that child as they would like, but they don't stop loving them. It's my experience, from working with families, that, generally, what is sown, is reaped.

You are fire fighting again. Which is very commendable.

There is no proof or reason why Jeremy would have inherited a large amount from MS. Even Jeremy has never mentioned it since 1985.

The only people who did mention it, were people on this forum. But please, no more.

[Caroline]

I don't think Jeremy was close to MS, it was Neville's mother that doted on him not MS - he described her as quite harsh. She didn't buy presents for her grandchildren, she gave June money to buy something n her behalf.

[lookout]

RWB knew that on Junes' death,that Jeremy would benefit,so he set about getting her to change her will.

Why bother once they'd gone all out to blame him for the murders when RWB must have known that Jeremy wouldn't get a cent on a conviction charge ?

[Jane]

Adam, you seem to fail to recognize bonding. If Granny had adored Jeremy as a baby, it wouldn't have been necessary for him to DO anything. A parent's/grandparent's love for a child is (generally) unconditional. It may sadden them later if they don't get to see as much of that child as they would like, but they don't stop loving them. It's my experience, from working with families, that, generally, what is sown, is reaped.

You are fire fighting again. Which is very commendable.

There is no proof or reason why Jeremy would have inherited a large amount from MS. Even Jeremy has never mentioned it since 1985.

The only people who did mention it, were people on this forum. But please, no more.

Adam, can you point me to ANY point in my post where I made reference to MONEY? I was speaking of a Granny's affection for her Grandchild which has NOTHING to do with money. Love and money are at opposite ends of the spectrum.

[Jane]

I don't think Jeremy was close to MS, it was Neville's mother that doted on him not MS - he described her as quite harsh. She didn't buy presents for her grandchildren, she gave June money to buy something n her behalf.

Which bears out everything I've been told of her character, Caroline.

[Adam]

Adam, can you point me to ANY point in my post where I made reference to MONEY? I was speaking of a Granny's affection for her Grandchild which has NOTHING to do with money. Love and money are at opposite ends of the spectrum.

MS would have had affection for a baby Jeremy. Who wouldn't ?

But there is no proof or logical reason why she would leave him a large share of her will decades later.

[lookout]

 It was Leslie Speakman who doted on Jeremy,more so than Mabel did.

[Jane]

MS would have had affection for a baby Jeremy. Who wouldn't ?

But there is no proof or logical reason why she would leave him a large share of her will decades later.

Good Lord!!! TWO things on which we agree

[Jan]

"No evidence has been provided. So please, no more claims from Jeremy supporters saying he did not need to commit the massacre"


Adam - no-one "needs" to commit a massacre. And for a young man of his age he was relatively well off.



I think the fact that the family investigated with the solicitors about getting the will changed ( before he was convicted) was quite confusing. It sounded , if you read Annes statement as if they were  just writing him out - whereas in fact they were getting it changed because he would have inherited Junes share  that is now clear. Then it all went to her sister - who for some reason passed it on to her children I think.


As we were not privy to family discussions amongst the bambers we do not know what June intended to do with the money , which was a considerable sum. Perhaps she had said she would help out both Jeremy and Sheila and the twins? Perhaps she would have invested in land ? I am not sure on that bit.

But I think the perception that Jeremy would have inherited directly even if his parents had not died was incorrect .Unless there were other family members that knew what June was going to do with the money?

But it does seem that the changing of the will by GS did cause further family arguments about money.

[Adam]

Good Lord!!! TWO things on which we agree

Good. So this forum has established another important fact -

Jeremy was 'NOT' going to inherit from MS if June had lived. Meaning it cannot be used as a supporting reason to claim his innocence.

Good work everyone. 

[lookout]

 It means naff all !

[Caroline]

Good. So this forum has established another important fact -

Jeremy was 'NOT' going to inherit from MS if June had lived. Meaning it cannot be used as a supporting reason to claim his innocence.

Good work everyone.

No point in making these silly claims if there is NO evidence to back them up. We haven't seen the will so can only cast an opinion!!

[Jan]

Good. So this forum has established another important fact -

Jeremy was 'NOT' going to inherit from MS if June had lived. Meaning it cannot be used as a supporting reason to claim his innocence.

Good work everyone.

Actually Caroline is correct - we only have the familys word for  what was in the will - there could have been a main provision for June and Pamela - for all we know the grandchildren also could have been named for smaller amounts ?  Without seeing the will before it was changed we can not be 100% sure .

But I agree without proof it should not be banded around as a "fact"

So all we know for sure was that his mother was about to become quite wealthy .