the raid team enter whf 2 hours after daylight.

[No-Bits]

Pedant!!!!! :D

  

[scipio_usmc]

By definition,  a guilty person can't have an alibi.

A guilty person can trick people in to believing they have one, but they can't 'actually' have one.

Jeremy didn't have an alibi.

You stole my line!

Contrary to Graham's claims Jeremy did try convincing people he had an alibi and that alibi is being at home to receive a phone call from Nevill and police seeing him arrive after them.

Of course he can't prove Nevill actually called him and the whole claim Nevill did call him is ridiculous for a whole host of reasons ranging from if left alone he woudl have armed himself and/or called police to Sheila would have shot him while he was on the phone not marched him upstairs to shoot him with June.

So he indeed had no alibi.  In fact his alibi helped cement he was the killer because it proved he knew about the murders and once it became appararent Sheila could not have been the killer that left him on the hook. 

[nugnug]

the police tried to fit the evedence around this phonecall the timed bike ride the hitman theory thats proof enough to me it happend.

[scipio_usmc]

the police tried to fit the evedence around this phonecall the timed bike ride the hitman theory thats proof enough to me it happend.

That makes no sense at all.  Police also looked at whether other weapons could have bene used.  So using your illogic that means other guns were used. 

Police did their job which is to look at all angles including how long it would take on bike since Julie stated he told her he planned ot use a bike and right before the crimes a bike appeared at his place.

In the meantime as was alreayd pointed out your claim that police had her invent a hitman to get aorund the phone call is STUPID.  How does naming a guy who was not involved and woudl be able to prove it help their case against him?

There is no evidence at all that a call was made from WHF to Goldhange ran dno reaosn to believe there was especially not from Nevill.

Do you ever actually use your head or just always thing totally illogically and simply make up what you choose to beleive?

The murders went down with the killer opening fire in the master bedroom on both parents.

Explain:

1) how Nevill would be able to make the call- where was Sheila at the time that he would be able to make the call without her interrupting.

2) If Nevill was so worried why did he not try to disarm her himself?  He was bigger and stronger than Jeremy so if Jeremy could disarm her than so could he.  Moreover, he is the adult who had the most calming effect on her. Freddie said that upon seeing him she recognized him (though she recognized no one else) stopped having delusions and instantly calmed down.  Instead of disarming her and trying to calm her down why woudl he leave her with a gun wanfering around to freely to kill the boys or June?

3) Why didn't June get the boys and hide with them somewhere instea dof all 3 styaing in bed as Sheila was raging with a gun?

4) If Nevill did leave her raging and thus risk her shooting the others why would he call Jeremy knowing it would take Jeremy minutes to answer the phone if he even heard it at all from his bedroom and that the answering machine would have picked up?  Worse why would he call him knowing that between answering and dressing and driving there would take 20 minutes?  If anythign he woudl clal 999 if things were too hot for him to handle why risk his son's life too and eveyrone else's by doign nothing hoping Jeremy could come save the day in time?

5) If actually alone in the kitchen to make the call that means he would have been able to access the other guns, knives and other potential weapons that could have been used to disarm Sheila so even if scared to do it with his bare hands (like he allegedly expected smaller weaker Jeremy to do) then he still had other options. 

6) Upon seeing him on the phone why would Sheila grab the phone form him and hang it up then take it off the hook so no one else could call or alternatively to push the buttons on the phone down instead of shooting Nevill upon seeing him on the phone?  What was she doing while he was making this long call and why would she march him upstairs to shoot him with June instead of killing him in the kitchen?  WHy didn't Nevill try to take the gun away when she had only one hand on it and was grabbing the phone from him or pushing the buttons on the phone down to disconnect the call?

Do you have the balls to actually address this or are you going to run away like you always do when confronted with such things and hide in your cave pretending that Nevill called because that is what you want to believe and the evidence be damned...

Graham says I am a bully because I try to force peopel to think.  If that is the cas ei plead guilty are you going to think or run away from it?

[nugnug]

you dont try to fir evedence around somthing that dident happen.

[scipio_usmc]

you dont try to fir evedence around somthing that dident happen.

The answer is no you have no balls to address it and are sticking with your pathetic claim that because police investigated whether the call happened that means the call had to have happened. 

I think it is no accident that all Jeremy supporters suffer from the same delusions and illogic, it is a requirement to believe he is innocent in the face of all the evidence that proves his guilt.

[grahameb]

You stole my line!

Contrary to Graham's claims Jeremy did try convincing people he had an alibi and that alibi is being at home to receive a phone call from Nevill and police seeing him arrive after them.

Of course he can't prove Nevill actually called him and the whole claim Nevill did call him is ridiculous for a whole host of reasons ranging from if left alone he woudl have armed himself and/or called police to Sheila would have shot him while he was on the phone not marched him upstairs to shoot him with June.

So he indeed had no alibi.  In fact his alibi helped cement he was the killer because it proved he knew about the murders and once it became appararent Sheila could not have been the killer that left him on the hook.

There you go again. Telling people I have said what I never said.

[grahameb]

That makes no sense at all.  Police also looked at whether other weapons could have bene used.  So using your illogic that means other guns were used. 

Police did their job which is to look at all angles including how long it would take on bike since Julie stated he told her he planned ot use a bike and right before the crimes a bike appeared at his place.

In the meantime as was alreayd pointed out your claim that police had her invent a hitman to get aorund the phone call is STUPID.  How does naming a guy who was not involved and woudl be able to prove it help their case against him?

There is no evidence at all that a call was made from WHF to Goldhange ran dno reaosn to believe there was especially not from Nevill.

Do you ever actually use your head or just always thing totally illogically and simply make up what you choose to beleive?

The murders went down with the killer opening fire in the master bedroom on both parents.

Explain:

1) how Nevill would be able to make the call- where was Sheila at the time that he would be able to make the call without her interrupting.

2) If Nevill was so worried why did he not try to disarm her himself?  He was bigger and stronger than Jeremy so if Jeremy could disarm her than so could he.  Moreover, he is the adult who had the most calming effect on her. Freddie said that upon seeing him she recognized him (though she recognized no one else) stopped having delusions and instantly calmed down.  Instead of disarming her and trying to calm her down why woudl he leave her with a gun wanfering around to freely to kill the boys or June?

3) Why didn't June get the boys and hide with them somewhere instea dof all 3 styaing in bed as Sheila was raging with a gun?

4) If Nevill did leave her raging and thus risk her shooting the others why would he call Jeremy knowing it would take Jeremy minutes to answer the phone if he even heard it at all from his bedroom and that the answering machine would have picked up?  Worse why would he call him knowing that between answering and dressing and driving there would take 20 minutes?  If anythign he woudl clal 999 if things were too hot for him to handle why risk his son's life too and eveyrone else's by doign nothing hoping Jeremy could come save the day in time?

5) If actually alone in the kitchen to make the call that means he would have been able to access the other guns, knives and other potential weapons that could have been used to disarm Sheila so even if scared to do it with his bare hands (like he allegedly expected smaller weaker Jeremy to do) then he still had other options. 

6) Upon seeing him on the phone why would Sheila grab the phone form him and hang it up then take it off the hook so no one else could call or alternatively to push the buttons on the phone down instead of shooting Nevill upon seeing him on the phone?  What was she doing while he was making this long call and why would she march him upstairs to shoot him with June instead of killing him in the kitchen?  WHy didn't Nevill try to take the gun away when she had only one hand on it and was grabbing the phone from him or pushing the buttons on the phone down to disconnect the call?

Do you have the balls to actually address this or are you going to run away like you always do when confronted with such things and hide in your cave pretending that Nevill called because that is what you want to believe and the evidence be damned...

Graham says I am a bully because I try to force peopel to think.  If that is the cas ei plead guilty are you going to think or run away from it?

I never said that. You are a bully by nature.

[nugnug]

The answer is no you have no balls to address it and are sticking with your pathetic claim that because police investigated whether the call happened that means the call had to have happened. 

I think it is no accident that all Jeremy supporters suffer from the same delusions and illogic, it is a requirement to believe he is innocent in the face of all the evidence that proves his guilt.

they did more than investigate they tried to fit the evidence around as ive already demonstrated several times.

to check weather it happened would be easy.

it does not require timed bike rides that would only be required if they knew it did happen.

[grahameb]

That makes no sense at all.  Police also looked at whether other weapons could have bene used.  So using your illogic that means other guns were used. 

Police did their job which is to look at all angles including how long it would take on bike since Julie stated he told her he planned ot use a bike and right before the crimes a bike appeared at his place.

In the meantime as was alreayd pointed out your claim that police had her invent a hitman to get aorund the phone call is STUPID.  How does naming a guy who was not involved and woudl be able to prove it help their case against him?

There is no evidence at all that a call was made from WHF to Goldhange ran dno reaosn to believe there was especially not from Nevill.

Do you ever actually use your head or just always thing totally illogically and simply make up what you choose to beleive?

The murders went down with the killer opening fire in the master bedroom on both parents.

Explain:

1) how Nevill would be able to make the call- where was Sheila at the time that he would be able to make the call without her interrupting.

2) If Nevill was so worried why did he not try to disarm her himself?  He was bigger and stronger than Jeremy so if Jeremy could disarm her than so could he.  Moreover, he is the adult who had the most calming effect on her. Freddie said that upon seeing him she recognized him (though she recognized no one else) stopped having delusions and instantly calmed down.  Instead of disarming her and trying to calm her down why woudl he leave her with a gun wanfering around to freely to kill the boys or June?

3) Why didn't June get the boys and hide with them somewhere instea dof all 3 styaing in bed as Sheila was raging with a gun?

4) If Nevill did leave her raging and thus risk her shooting the others why would he call Jeremy knowing it would take Jeremy minutes to answer the phone if he even heard it at all from his bedroom and that the answering machine would have picked up?  Worse why would he call him knowing that between answering and dressing and driving there would take 20 minutes?  If anythign he woudl clal 999 if things were too hot for him to handle why risk his son's life too and eveyrone else's by doign nothing hoping Jeremy could come save the day in time?

5) If actually alone in the kitchen to make the call that means he would have been able to access the other guns, knives and other potential weapons that could have been used to disarm Sheila so even if scared to do it with his bare hands (like he allegedly expected smaller weaker Jeremy to do) then he still had other options. 

6) Upon seeing him on the phone why would Sheila grab the phone form him and hang it up then take it off the hook so no one else could call or alternatively to push the buttons on the phone down instead of shooting Nevill upon seeing him on the phone?  What was she doing while he was making this long call and why would she march him upstairs to shoot him with June instead of killing him in the kitchen?  WHy didn't Nevill try to take the gun away when she had only one hand on it and was grabbing the phone from him or pushing the buttons on the phone down to disconnect the call?

Do you have the balls to actually address this or are you going to run away like you always do when confronted with such things and hide in your cave pretending that Nevill called because that is what you want to believe and the evidence be damned...

Graham says I am a bully because I try to force peopel to think.  If that is the cas ei plead guilty are you going to think or run away from it?

I've never said that. What I say is that she invented the lie all by herself and you cannot prove that she didn't.

[scipio_usmc]

There you go again. Telling people I have said what I never said.

"Because a guilty man would have made sure he had an airtight "alibi". Jeremy had none and neither did he ever say that the phonecall was an alibi."

Who wrote those words Graham?  I realize you can't remember what you wrote 2 minutes aog but i assure you that you wrote them.

The reality is that Jeremy did try to use the fake phone call from Nevill as an alibi.  It was meant to establish that he was at home not at the murder scene when the trouble was going on.

[scipio_usmc]

I never said that. You are a bully by nature.

Anytime I challenge people to think that is when you claim I am bullying them. 

[Alias]

Anytime I challenge people to think that is when you claim I am bullying them.

No, it is when you call people stupid, fools, Bamberettes, pathetic, liars and on and on and on. Just skip the insults, and everything will be fine.
You were polite the first half day or so - it was fine, then you showed your true face: you are here to stir shit. I have proof (your own words) that that is what you do. You just get off on hurling insults at strangers on the internet. Pretty weird, but that´s you!

[grahameb]

"Because a guilty man would have made sure he had an airtight "alibi". Jeremy had none and neither did he ever say that the phonecall was an alibi."

Who wrote those words Graham?  I realize you can't remember what you wrote 2 minutes aog but i assure you that you wrote them.

The reality is that Jeremy did try to use the fake phone call from Nevill as an alibi.  It was meant to establish that he was at home not at the murder scene when the trouble was going on.

I thought you said that Hartley stole your line by saying a guilty person cannot have an alibi?

[grahameb]

Anytime I challenge people to think that is when you claim I am bullying them.

Because of the belittling words you use to make them look small. scipio do me a favour. Grow up. You're becoming very childish and constantly insult and disrespect long standing members. You didn't even introduce yourself in the foyer. You just barged in and started insulting people. But as I said it is not your challenges to make people think that is so obnoxious. It is simply in your ill mannered nature to be a bully.