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« Reply #105 on: July 17, 2014, 08:35:AM »
What else is new...

As I said before I have yet to see a thread stay on topic.  I tried in the past to bring them back on topic but my efforts were repelled so I have given up trying.  The subject field is not needed we should just number the threads.
Well you're part of it mate and helped it go off topic. Takes two to tango. ;)

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« Reply #106 on: July 17, 2014, 06:40:PM »
What else is new...

As I said before I have yet to see a thread stay on topic.  I tried in the past to bring them back on topic but my efforts were repelled so I have given up trying.  The subject field is not needed we should just number the threads.

Not really for you to decide Scipio, we're happy with subject threads thanks and that's how it's staying. You really don't know when to stop trying to control things.

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« Reply #107 on: July 17, 2014, 07:27:PM »
scipio please show me where he asked the police to pick him up or direct me to where he said that.
Also my explanation is just as objective as yours. After all there are both only just opinions, as we can't get into the heads of either Jeremy or Sheila. What is so illogical in suggesting that he could have achieved the same object if he had stayed at home for a few minutes rather that "parking up" as you call it?

I have to find where I read that.  Some accounts are worse- that he was not planning to go at all and that police had to ask him to go there to meet them.  That's even worse.

The fact of the matter is that someone in his place would have phoned police and then then driven there.  Not to wait for police to tell them to go.

Since he had no idea how long it would take for them to get there wiaitng to leave had not been long enough.  He wasted time before going and he still would have beat them there.  He had to drive slow and then the last minute of the trip he had to pull over to allow them to pass him.  If he continued friving a normal speed he would have beat them there.   Instead of aking them pass and staying on their tail he waited several minutes to finsih the trip.  Why?  Suppoosedly to put on a sweater instead of following and then putting on the sweater as he got out of the car to greet them.

None of this makes any sense except in the context that he wanted them to arrive first and was just there because police told him to go not because he wanted to find out about his family and was concerned for them.   
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« Reply #108 on: July 17, 2014, 07:42:PM »
I have to find where I read that.  Some accounts are worse- that he was not planning to go at all and that police had to ask him to go there to meet them.  That's even worse.

The fact of the matter is that someone in his place would have phoned police and then then driven there.  Not to wait for police to tell them to go.

Since he had no idea how long it would take for them to get there wiaitng to leave had not been long enough.  He wasted time before going and he still would have beat them there.  He had to drive slow and then the last minute of the trip he had to pull over to allow them to pass him.  If he continued friving a normal speed he would have beat them there.   Instead of aking them pass and staying on their tail he waited several minutes to finsih the trip.  Why?  Suppoosedly to put on a sweater instead of following and then putting on the sweater as he got out of the car to greet them.

None of this makes any sense except in the context that he wanted them to arrive first and was just there because police told him to go not because he wanted to find out about his family and was concerned for them.
Take your blinkers off mate and start to think rationally for a change. You have not the qualifications to judge another persons motives, none of us have. What you are saying is as usual only a guess on your part and if you don't mind me saying so a crap opinion at that.

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« Reply #109 on: July 17, 2014, 09:22:PM »
Take your blinkers off mate and start to think rationally for a change. You have not the qualifications to judge another persons motives, none of us have. What you are saying is as usual only a guess on your part and if you don't mind me saying so a crap opinion at that.

I am thinking rationally, you are not mr I hate the police so anything they say must be a lie. 

His motives are ovbious to anyone with half a brain and objective.  The fact he has no valid basis for doing and say the various things he did is patently obvious as well.  You entertain all Mike's nonsense precisely because you are not thinking clearly. 

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« Reply #110 on: July 17, 2014, 09:32:PM »
I am thinking rationally, you are not mr I hate the police so anything they say must be a lie. 

His motives are ovbious to anyone with half a brain and objective.  The fact he has no valid basis for doing and say the various things he did is patently obvious as well.  You entertain all Mike's nonsense precisely because you are not thinking clearly.
I don't hate the police. But I do hate crooked cops. There's a difference. I really am surprised that for someone who boasts a great intellect coupled with discernment that you are very deficient in searching out bad coppers. But me? I've known them and know the things some of them get up to.

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« Reply #111 on: July 18, 2014, 12:22:AM »
Well you're part of it mate and helped it go off topic. Takes two to tango. ;)

As I said I tried keeping them on topic but others refused my pleas so I gave up.  If you can't beat them then join them. 
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« Reply #112 on: July 20, 2014, 11:40:PM »
Harters, do we know when this particular will was drawn up? I may have read it incorrectly, but it looks as if Nevill had made provision for his mother who I believe to have died prior to the tragedy..................or am I making assumptions. I also wonder how it would be possible to put such inheritance restrictions on someone who was an adult in the eyes of the law, as was Jeremy at the time of the deaths.

Well spotted April.

In my opinion the will may have become invalid for several reasons.  One of them is that the will had not been updated. It is important to update your will regular. 

I honestly feel that the rules of intestacy applies in this case.  In order to distribute the estate correctly.

This would mean that CC would inherit nothing, but could have applied for a discretionary payment form the estate. 

It can get very complicated for the closest spur would only inherit the first £250.000 the rest of the estate would be divided up between the next in line and so forth.

Foe example say NB left £300.000 the first £250.000 would be divided up between the closest relatives thus being AP and JP the rest would then be divided up with the rest of the beneficiaries.

The estate would have gone to probate and the court would have legally decided who would inherit under the rules.

The will appears to have been made prior to 1982...I don't think anyone of us can say that the will was not distributed correctly because we don't know the correct circumstances.   ;D ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #113 on: July 21, 2014, 01:57:AM »
Well spotted April.
In my opinion the will may have become invalid for several reasons.  One of them is that the will had not been updated. It is important to update your will regular.

I honestly feel that the rules of intestacy applies in this case.  In order to distribute the estate correctly.

This would mean that CC would inherit nothing, but could have applied for a discretionary payment form the estate. 

It can get very complicated for the closest spur would only inherit the first £250.000 the rest of the estate would be divided up between the next in line and so forth.

Foe example say NB left £300.000 the first £250.000 would be divided up between the closest relatives thus being AP and JP the rest would then be divided up with the rest of the beneficiaries.

The estate would have gone to probate and the court would have legally decided who would inherit under the rules.

The will appears to have been made prior to 1982...I don't think anyone of us can say that the will was not distributed correctly because we don't know the correct circumstances.   ;D ;D ;D ;D

A will is only invalid if it was not executed properly.  There is no need at all to ever update a will for it to remain valid. 

I assume you intended to say the residuary bequeth in the will failed and thus that intestate rules apply because the will failed to dispose of all property of the estate.

If a will is properly drafted the only time you need to update it is if you want to add a new beneficiary or want to change things around in some other way including deleting a beneficiary.

If properly drafted itl will list enough alternate beneficiaries so that death doesn't require any changes and the only change could be a result of changing your mind.  Some lawyers don't like that because then they lose future business but that is the ethical thing to do.

This is from the most recent will I drafted  (I edited the names to initials to protect the people involved):

I give, devise, and bequeath all of the rest, residue, and remainder of my estate, of whatever kind and character, and wherever located, to my Spouse.  If my Spouse predeceases me then my sons DJK and HJK shall inherit in equal shares.  If either of my children predeceases my Spouse, his share shall pass to his issue in equal shares.  If either of my children predeceases my Spouse and does not have any living issue to inherit his share, then his share shall go to his spouse.  In the event either of my sons predeceases my Spouse and has no issue or spouse to inherit his share then my remaining son’s side shall inherit the entire remainder.  If none of these beneficiaries survives me, then the rest and residue of my estate shall pass in equal amounts to the following charitable trusts;"

You can list as many alternative beneficiaries as you want.  They decided to leave the money to charity instead of more extended family if their sons, grandchildren, great granchildren or the wives of their children are all dead.  But you could list all the beneficiaries you want before finally listing a charity.

Instead of intestacy law kicking in they wanted it to go to Indian (India Indian) charities. I have no idea why they don't want it to go to siblings and cousins they did not say why not and I didn't ask snce it is not my place.

Note the complete absence of legalese (save for the word "issue"so that anyone reading it could understand it, that is the perferred method today so that those signing and wtinessing it can understand it as can any executor instead of needing legal help.   

I have no idea if the UK has similarly gotten rid of the legalese or not in their modern wills but the principle is the same where you can list all the alternative beneficiares you want so that you never need a new will unless you want to remove/add a beneficiary or change amounts.

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« Reply #114 on: July 21, 2014, 08:56:PM »
 I've often wondered whether AE knew if Jeremy knew that their land wasn't owned fully by them ( the Eatons ) ?  As at the time of the murders,Jeremy wasn't aware that this was so.

Being as the outcome was as it was,it has to make you think.

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« Reply #115 on: July 21, 2014, 09:04:PM »
 Poor Neville got his eye blackened over that piece of land just because it wasn't ALL in the hands of the Eatons !

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« Reply #116 on: July 21, 2014, 09:11:PM »
 And that " young man " would have been the person who Neville " must never turn his back on ". The one who'd go on the shoot,and the one who Neville foresaw involved in a " shooting accident ".

Makes you think,doesn't it ?

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« Reply #117 on: July 21, 2014, 09:18:PM »
 After Jeremys' conviction,PE had returned a gun to WHF,,the statement by RWB said it was returned on the 9th of August,,but that little snippet never came to light until the 90's !

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« Reply #118 on: July 21, 2014, 09:54:PM »
And that " young man " would have been the person who Neville " must never turn his back on ". The one who'd go on the shoot,and the one who Neville foresaw involved in a " shooting accident ".

Makes you think,doesn't it ?

It does.


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« Reply #119 on: July 21, 2014, 10:02:PM »
I've often wondered whether AE knew if Jeremy knew that their land wasn't owned fully by them ( the Eatons ) ?  As at the time of the murders,Jeremy wasn't aware that this was so.

Being as the outcome was as it was,it has to make you think.

Are you suggesting that had Jeremy known about a lease he would not have done it?  He did it for the ultimate value of the estate.  If he thought the estate was even bigger that is a greater reason to kill in a sense but it was big enough anyway to be worth killing over.  Some people kill for a $25,000 insurance policy though that is hardly enough to live off of for long.

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