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Re: Did Jeremy have the 'opportunity' to commit the massacre ?
« Reply #30 on: June 25, 2014, 06:37:PM »
It went so silent in here.... :P

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Re: Did Jeremy have the 'opportunity' to commit the massacre ?
« Reply #31 on: June 25, 2014, 07:12:PM »
Exactly, it was never proven. The police tried to lock it and didn't succeed, AE and RWB claimed it could be done but they were unable to prove it and how did they know as they spent very little time at WHF. It was a myth which was allowed to flourish,by EP and the prosecution during the trial. After Jeremy Bamber was found guilty the police admitted there was no proof the window could be locked from outside.  Adam continues to peddle this myth .

It was proven by the family.  You don't need police to testify to something if someone else can testify to it.  The family testified they WERE able to close the window and lock it from outside.  Their testimony is proof. You schoose not to believe them becaus eof bias but have no evidence ot prove they were incapable of doing what they claim.



 
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Re: Did Jeremy have the 'opportunity' to commit the massacre ?
« Reply #32 on: June 25, 2014, 07:26:PM »
Proven how? A robin shitting on the window-sill "told" them which window Jeremy had exited. How can anyone take anything they say seriously? :o

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Re: Did Jeremy have the 'opportunity' to commit the massacre ?
« Reply #33 on: June 25, 2014, 07:27:PM »
It was proven by the family.  You don't need police to testify to something if someone else can testify to it.  The family testified they WERE able to close the window and lock it from outside.  Their testimony is proof. You schoose not to believe them becaus eof bias but have no evidence ot prove they were incapable of doing what they claim.
It is not bias to quote police as stating a fact as opposed to believing what members of an extended family cannot prove but state as fact. Ann Eaton was not the oracle anymore than you are. She and her father claimed you could lock the window from the outside, the police stated as far as they were concerned it was not possible. I suppose there was a 'possibility' Jeremy may have been able to do this but it was at best just a possibility.

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Re: Did Jeremy have the 'opportunity' to commit the massacre ?
« Reply #34 on: June 25, 2014, 07:31:PM »
Proven how? A robin shitting on the window-sill "told" them which window Jeremy had exited. How can anyone take anything they say seriously? :o

They stated (in their written statements) that they were able to get the latch to lock as they closed the window from the outside.
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Re: Did Jeremy have the 'opportunity' to commit the massacre ?
« Reply #35 on: June 25, 2014, 07:32:PM »
They stated (in their written statements) that they were able to get the latch to lock as they closed the window from the outside.

I don´t believe them. Not after that robin-thing, they are plain nuts!
This is no proof.

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Re: Did Jeremy have the 'opportunity' to commit the massacre ?
« Reply #36 on: June 25, 2014, 08:05:PM »
They stated (in their written statements) that they were able to get the latch to lock as they closed the window from the outside.
I don't remember AE stating that however they were never seen to do it therefore as we are not in a court of law but on a discussion forum site I would say anyone can say anything but it proves nothing. The police tried to do it and didn't succeed, they later stated the fact they were unable to do it.

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Re: Did Jeremy have the 'opportunity' to commit the massacre ?
« Reply #37 on: June 25, 2014, 08:17:PM »
It is not bias to quote police as stating a fact as opposed to believing what members of an extended family cannot prove but state as fact. Ann Eaton was not the oracle anymore than you are. She and her father claimed you could lock the window from the outside, the police stated as far as they were concerned it was not possible. I suppose there was a 'possibility' Jeremy may have been able to do this but it was at best just a possibility.

A cop (Barlow) stated he looked at the kitchen window alone and allegedly stated he, "found nothing unusual with it".  That doesn't mean Ann Eaton lied about being able to lock it from the outside.  The statement doesn't indicate he did anything but look at the window (and other windows) it doesn't claim he tested their claim.

Eaton and others stated that they were together when they played with the window.  There were various claims including this one from Ann Eaton where she explained the catch could be set up so that it could be maneuvered into locking from the outside:



Other statements detail the same claim which resulted with the prosecution asserting at trial and the appeal court making a finding that: "He then left the premises, one available route being to climb out of the kitchen window, banging it from the outside to drop the catch back into position and then cycled home."

Barlow simply looking at a window doesn't trump the claims of fmaily that say they examine dit and were able to tap the window to get the catch to fall.  You need someone who tested the window and proved such was not possible to prove their claim impossible.  You don't have that.  You grossly try to twist Barlow's claims and actions but it won't work.   


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Re: Did Jeremy have the 'opportunity' to commit the massacre ?
« Reply #38 on: June 25, 2014, 08:19:PM »
I don't remember AE stating that however they were never seen to do it therefore as we are not in a court of law but on a discussion forum site I would say anyone can say anything but it proves nothing. The police tried to do it and didn't succeed, they later stated the fact they were unable to do it.

In or out of court you still need evidence to back up your claims and your supposed evidence of Barlow looking at the window and saying it didn't look unusual falls far short of disproving their assertion they successfully lated the window from the outside.
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Re: Did Jeremy have the 'opportunity' to commit the massacre ?
« Reply #39 on: June 25, 2014, 08:50:PM »
A cop (Barlow) stated he looked at the kitchen window alone and allegedly stated he, "found nothing unusual with it".  That doesn't mean Ann Eaton lied about being able to lock it from the outside.  The statement doesn't indicate he did anything but look at the window (and other windows) it doesn't claim he tested their claim.
Eaton and others stated that they were together when they played with the window.  There were various claims including this one from Ann Eaton where she explained the catch could be set up so that it could be maneuvered into locking from the outside:

Other statements detail the same claim which resulted with the prosecution asserting at trial and the appeal court making a finding that: "He then left the premises, one available route being to climb out of the kitchen window, banging it from the outside to drop the catch back into position and then cycled home."
Barlow simply looking at a window doesn't trump the claims of fmaily that say they examine dit and were able to tap the window to get the catch to fall.  You need someone who tested the window and proved such was not possible to prove their claim impossible.  You don't have
 that.  You grossly try to twist Barlow's claims and actions but it won't work.
Hi scipio, I think what I am talking about is more than looking at a window but I shall check it out when I can and come back about it.
In the meantime I would just point out that I have not 'grossly twisted' anything. Just because you don't agree with me does not make me a liar anymore than others you have accused of lying and twisting are liars either just because they have a different opinion to you. Surely you
 can debate without being so aggressive and confrontational?



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Re: Did Jeremy have the 'opportunity' to commit the massacre ?
« Reply #40 on: June 25, 2014, 08:53:PM »
In or out of court you still need evidence to back up your claims and your supposed evidence of Barlow looking at the window and saying it didn't look unusual falls far short of disproving their assertion they successfully lated the window from the outside.
I am not talking about Barlow just looking at the window, I am talking about them trying to bang it shut and lock it. I have said I am not in a position at the moment to back up my opinion but will later.

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Re: Did Jeremy have the 'opportunity' to commit the massacre ?
« Reply #41 on: June 25, 2014, 09:17:PM »
Please point me to the fanlight window (I thought such a window would have a fan-like shape, not sure but AE must mean the little, slightly open, elongated window on top.)
Doesn´t look as if it is large enough for a grown man to crawl through! Not even a child.



The door has a fanlight window. Her statement is confusing.

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Re: Did Jeremy have the 'opportunity' to commit the massacre ?
« Reply #42 on: June 25, 2014, 09:35:PM »
Please point me to the fanlight window (I thought such a window would have a fan-like shape, not sure but AE must mean the little, slightly open, elongated window on top.)
Doesn´t look as if it is large enough for a grown man to crawl through! Not even a child.

The door has a fanlight window. Her statement is confusing.

Yes, that's the fanlight Alias, find it hard to believe a grown man could have climbed through it without severely damaging himself. If he could get through surely he would have fallen on his head?

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Re: Did Jeremy have the 'opportunity' to commit the massacre ?
« Reply #43 on: June 25, 2014, 09:44:PM »
 Perhaps he should have tried the letterbox !
 Or limbo-danced under a gap in the door !

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Re: Did Jeremy have the 'opportunity' to commit the massacre ?
« Reply #44 on: June 25, 2014, 09:53:PM »
Please point me to the fanlight window (I thought such a window would have a fan-like shape, not sure but AE must mean the little, slightly open, elongated window on top.)
Doesn´t look as if it is large enough for a grown man to crawl through! Not even a child.



The door has a fanlight window. Her statement is confusing.


A fanlight window in the sense she is using the term means a window above another item.  The window is not above the door it is part of the door and usually called a half moon window.  Had the window been above the door it would be a transom window and sometimes sitll is called this but sometimes is called a fanlight window, particularly by older people.

So yes the little window above the kitchen window is the the fanlight window she is talking about since it is not part of the main window and is above.

Today they often call anything that has ribs that fan away a fanlight window but that is not the term it used to have in the olden days.  There seems to be a lot of variety as to what qualifies as a fan shape to people as well. Terms mean different things to different people which is why you always have to nail down what a witness is talking about so that later they can't claim they meant something different.

You can get your arms in the fanlight window to set the latch so that the large window could be locked by tapping on it according to them.  They said they accomplished such.



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