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Re: Did Jeremy have the 'opportunity' to commit the massacre ?
« Reply #15 on: June 24, 2014, 10:44:PM »
Hi jansus I agree, am sick of Adam saying that thw window could be locked from the outside, it's not true, the police admitted after the trial that the windows could not be locked from the outside.

Did you not see my 'five' sources ?
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Re: Did Jeremy have the 'opportunity' to commit the massacre ?
« Reply #16 on: June 24, 2014, 11:17:PM »
so did Sheila - so you are back to square one- glad you have so much time on your hands.

 - and yet again I repeat - the police did not manage to lock a window from the outside - so NOT proven your supposition on this point is again hearsay.

Did you not read my five sources ? Yes I did say five.
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Re: Did Jeremy have the 'opportunity' to commit the massacre ?
« Reply #17 on: June 24, 2014, 11:32:PM »
Hi jansus I agree, am sick of Adam saying that thw window could be locked from the outside, it's not true, the police admitted after the trial that the windows could not be locked from the outside.

The police didn't say that. The police never went to have the family show them how to do it apparently. The police told the family they would see how they did it but never did and instead at trial relied on the family.

The family members stated the were ABLE to colse the kitchen window and the latch would fall into place as they closed it.

You have no way to prove the fmaily wrong you didn't go there to try it they did.  So we have their claim and I trust anything they say over anything you claim because 1) they are first part witnesses while you are not and 2) you have demonstrated no objectivity whatsoever and 30) you are constantly wrong


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Re: Did Jeremy have the 'opportunity' to commit the massacre ?
« Reply #18 on: June 24, 2014, 11:35:PM »
Five sources (again) -

Julies WS

AE's WS

2002 appeal.

Wilkes's book.

Jeremy's interview transcripts.
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Re: Did Jeremy have the 'opportunity' to commit the massacre ?
« Reply #19 on: June 24, 2014, 11:38:PM »
If AE & Julie were trying to frame Jeremy, bit stupid to make up something the police could easily check.

If it was wrong, then the police would get suspicious of them.

Bit of a co incidence they both said the same thing.
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Re: Did Jeremy have the 'opportunity' to commit the massacre ?
« Reply #20 on: June 24, 2014, 11:43:PM »
If it was brought up in the 2002 appeal, it must have been discussed at trial. And proven at trial.

The police may have checked the windows early on. And found nothing unusual. But knew nothing about it being lockable from outside. Until informed a long time afterwards.  It was murder/suicide so they would not check certain things.
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Re: Did Jeremy have the 'opportunity' to commit the massacre ?
« Reply #21 on: June 25, 2014, 01:18:AM »
Did you not read my five sources ? Yes I did say five.
Did you not read my quotes from EP stating after the trial that the windows could NOT be locked from outside.

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Re: Did Jeremy have the 'opportunity' to commit the massacre ?
« Reply #22 on: June 25, 2014, 02:18:AM »
Did you not read my quotes from EP stating after the trial that the windows could NOT be locked from outside.

Some cops stated they were not able to figure out how it could be done.  They did not ask the family how the family did it.  The family stated they were able to close the window and lock it.  The police never bothered to have the family demonstrate instead the prosecution relied at trial on the family asserting it could be done.

 
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Re: Did Jeremy have the 'opportunity' to commit the massacre ?
« Reply #23 on: June 25, 2014, 07:24:AM »
Some cops stated they were not able to figure out how it could be done.  They did not ask the family how the family did it.  The family stated they were able to close the window and lock it.  The police never bothered to have the family demonstrate instead the prosecution relied at trial on the family asserting it could be done.
Exactly, it was never proven. The police tried to lock it and didn't succeed, AE and RWB claimed it could be done but they were unable to prove it and how did they know as they spent very little time at WHF. It was a myth which was allowed to flourish,by EP and the prosecution during the trial. After Jeremy Bamber was found guilty the police admitted there was no proof the window could be locked from outside.  Adam continues to peddle this myth .

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Re: Did Jeremy have the 'opportunity' to commit the massacre ?
« Reply #24 on: June 25, 2014, 12:20:PM »
They were all relying on a Robin to show them which window Jeremy left the farm trough that night - it wasn´t just Colin...
I´ll find the passage from Colin´s book when I have time (tomorrow).

Great "proof"!
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Re: Did Jeremy have the 'opportunity' to commit the massacre ?
« Reply #25 on: June 25, 2014, 12:24:PM »
Exactly, it was never proven. The police tried to lock it and didn't succeed, AE and RWB claimed it could be done but they were unable to prove it and how did they know as they spent very little time at WHF. It was a myth which was allowed to flourish,by EP and the prosecution during the trial. After Jeremy Bamber was found guilty the police admitted there was no proof the window could be locked from outside.  Adam continues to peddle this myth .

With my 5 sources.

Why didn't Jeremy tell his defence this ? The defence could go to WHF & prove at trial it could not be done.

Result, Jeremy walks.
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Re: Did Jeremy have the 'opportunity' to commit the massacre ?
« Reply #26 on: June 25, 2014, 12:31:PM »
With my 5 sources.

Why didn't Jeremy tell his defence this ? The defence could go to WHF & prove at trial it could not be done.

Result, Jeremy walks.

He did - read the court transcripts - the police admitted they had not proved it - so the court just said it did not have to be proved because it was "possible"

Its like groundhog day again !

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Re: Did Jeremy have the 'opportunity' to commit the massacre ?
« Reply #27 on: June 25, 2014, 12:33:PM »
When you've done nothing,how are you expected to rattle off anything when you know nothing ? If,and when you do,you're then putting words in the mouths of the officers,aren't you ? Which is exactly what they WANT !

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Re: Did Jeremy have the 'opportunity' to commit the massacre ?
« Reply #28 on: June 25, 2014, 02:45:PM »
OK, took the time today anyway. Here it is - not just Colin harping on about a robin.... in fact, it wasn´t him at all in the first place, he just latched on to the idea! It was the family, Colin wasn´t there! Good grief!!!

Colin´s book, page 173:
"I learnt another surprising story that afternoon. Apparently, only weeks after the shootings, while the family were all at Whitehouse trying to decide which window Jeremy had used to get out, a robin flew in through the back door and landed on the kitchen window-sill.
When Anthony tried to capture it and put it outside, the robin flew past the open door and landed by the scullery window - the other one they had been debating over. On each attempt to catch it the robin flew past the open door and back to the other window-sill. This kept happening until someone voiced the opinion that it might be trying to help them come to a decision. At this point, the robin "left its signature" on the kitchen window-sill and finally allowed Anthony to pick it up and put it outside."
"The really strange thing was," said Anthony, "that after all that chasing, it didn´t struggle in my hands.""


Are we in the Middle ages? This is really shocking!!!

Colin has bought this thing about the robin and puts meaning into "robin sights" on several occasions. I can see that having lost two children in such a horrendous manner, Colin was at a weak point in his life and would need anything to hold on to. But the FAMILY deciding which window Jeremy got out of because of a robin shitting in the window-sill is nothing short of CRAZY!!!

More the family told Colin about a robin, page 193:

"On the morning of the first day of the trial, a robin flew into the house of Karen and David Boutflour. They found it in their living room, singing on top of a glass display cabinet which contained a porcelain robin given to them by Ina and Anthony Pargeter - in memory of their shared earlier experiences."


REALLY?!  :o

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Re: Did Jeremy have the 'opportunity' to commit the massacre ?
« Reply #29 on: June 25, 2014, 04:04:PM »
 FGS,that's all I can say.