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Re: The 3 stages
« Reply #45 on: June 22, 2014, 12:28:AM »
If it was a bluff then it proves they were prepared to go to extreme lengths to the point of lying to a suspect. In my mind its gross misconduct and its leading the suspect into a false situation.  A situation that they claimed later never took place.  :-\ ;D ;D ;D ;D

it might considered that today but it was standard practice then.

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Re: The 3 stages
« Reply #46 on: June 22, 2014, 01:48:AM »


No one can explain what Sheila was doing when Neville phoned Jeremy.
ACTUALLY THEY HAVE BUT YOU'VE CHOSEN TO IGNORE IT

That's false.  People claim they explained it and refuse to discuss it again and can't point to where they allegedly did so.

One person claimed she was in the bathroom maybe which not only made no sense but resulted in many more questions.

I have presented a littany of points about such for weeks but no Bamber supporter will adress the points.   

Jeremy asking for a police escort looks damning for him.
ONLY IF YOU WANT IT TO BE SO

No it is objectively strange and even more strange to sit on the side of the road, wait fo rpolice to pass by and then wait another 3 minutes before getting back on the road to go meet them.

Even more strange than that was his testimony that at first he didn't think there was any emergency or anything wrong so he didn't see any great need to go there to investigate but after he thought about it for a while then he realized it was and at that point he became too scared to go so called police. 

Sheilas legs were pulled after the second shot.
SUSPECTED NOT PROVEN

If she had been seated where she was when found then she would have fallen flat upon being shot and would not have bled down her shoulder and arm. She had to be seated against something and moved flat after she was dead, the blood evidence proves it.  Moreover, after she was dead the bible was placed in the pool of blood that formed and opened and closed repeatedly.  Obviously she coudl not have done that.  Nor could she have put the suppressor away.  There are 3 distinct pieces of evidence that prove she can't have kill herself.

Jeremys best option was to make up the phone call.
IF HE DID IT HIS BEST OPTION WAS TO SAY NOTHING

But Jeremy showed he was incapable of that, baiting police by leaving them notes and making sure they saw him break in through windows.  He was an arrogant ass and it burned him.  He clealrly made up leaving the gun out, the bullets and many other things.  He staged the bullets without even bothering to count how many there were and to make sure there were not too many.   

Jeremy was extremely evasive, arrogant and uncoperative in his police interviews.
SO?


This ties in with the previous.  If he wanted to convince peopel of his innocence then the way he wacted was not the way to do it.  Games don't make you look cute they make you look guilty.  Especially all his no comments when it came to things that were incriminating.

Jeremy had an answering machine.
SO DO MANY OTHERS


Why would Nevill phone someone whose answering machine would pick up before he could answer?   Chances were Jeremy could not hear the phone from his bedroom or that he woudl even wakeup from it.  That is bad enough but even worse the answering machine would pick up before he could.  That is even more reaosn to think Jeremy won't wake up and answer since it was both far away and would not ring long. 

Even if not for the answering machine it would take him several minutes to wake up and go downstairs to answer.  Why would he call someone who would take so long to answer given that he had no idea how long he would have before Sheila found him.  Why would he not instead use the time to arm himself?  The kitchen had knives, guns and other potential weapons. Sheila might be provoked to shoot him seeing him on the phone.

Indeed SHeila allegedly caught him but amazingly she didn't fire.  A crazy lady catches him on the phone but instead of shooting she allegedly walked over to the phone, held the gun with only one hand (giving Nevill the golden opportunity to disarm her but he didn't take it) and simply held down the buttons so the phone hung up and then made Nevill put it down.  For some unexplained reason she allegedly wanted him upstairs in the bedroom with June before she opened fire.

None of this makes an ounce of sense nor does calling Jeremy at all.  Nevill was bigger and stronger than Jeremy allegedly had the necessity to disarm her and opportunity since she was right there with him supposedly. Why would Nevill want to wait 20 minutes for Jeremy to arrive and find a way instead of disarming her hiself before she could shoot?  Why would he want his son at risk too?  Why would he call a son he knows doesn't get along with Sheial who she would be more apt to shoot than any other family member?  If anyone cause cause more agitation it would be Jeremy.  Nevill was the one who made her calm, Jeremy had the opposite effect.  Julie even got along better with Sheila than Jeremy did.     


There are a lot of reasons/facts why Neville would not phone Jeremy.
AND EQUALLY AS MANY WHY HE WOULD

No there isn't I just listed a wole bunch why he wouldn't have called Jeremy and yet another is that he didn't trust Jeremy.  I would love to see this list of why he would have in equal numbers. You are all talk so I won't hold my breath waiting.

 
Alledged jilted women are just as likely to tell the truth.
OR LIE

The deciding factors are the credibility of the story itself and any corroboration.  In this case we have a guy who let Julie in on various crimes he committed including robbing his parents so it is credible he told her about his desire and plans to kill them.  Moreover, if she were going to lie and make up a story then she would not be likely to make up a tale with the great level of deatil she provided.  Moveor it woudl make no sense at all to make up the hitman claims let alone to ID the supposed hitman so that police could prove he was not involved.  The claim he told her a hitman did it but then slowly let the truth slip out about how he did it is credible.  The fact SHeial can't have killed herself helps provide corroboration to the story.   

The 19 day 1986 trial was not unfair.
YOUR OPINION

Despite all the claims here about his trial being unfair no one has produced a shred of evidence to establish it was unfair. That is what matters at the end of the day proof it was unfair and not a soul had produced any solid evidence to substantiate the claim.

Jeremy almost certainly phoned Julie before the police. And before Nevilles call
YOUR OPINION.

His opinion is supported by evidence.  Julie's roomates generally agree that the call was around 3AM whereas the call to police was not until 3:26.  The least certain roomate said maybe the call was as late as 3:30 but she thought it was earlier and the others all say it was. Those who claim to have bene most sure say it was around 3 which is the concensus.

Neville got a terrible beating.
YES


Had SHeila been the one who gave him tha tbeating she not only would have gotten his blood spatte ron her body and clothing, she also would have damaged her hands and some fingernails int he process, particuarly as the stock broke right where the killer would have been holding it.  Jeremy had a reaosn to wear gloves and reportedly did and such would protect his hands.  Sheila would not have had any reason to be wearing gloves nor were any gloves found that she could have been wearing.


The relatives did not have the expertise to frame Jeremy.
THEY DIDN'T NEED IT. BRAINSTORMING WORKS MIRACLES

Julie did not have the confidence to frame Jeremy.
SHE DIDN'T NEED IT. BRAINSTORMING WORKS MIRACLES

Only the lab had the know how to frame Jeremy by eliminating blood from the rifle and planting blood in the suppressor.  Only the lab knew about drawback and which would would result in it.

The notion of such a grand conspiracy is ridiculous so naturally completely lacking in proof.

 
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Re: The 3 stages
« Reply #47 on: June 22, 2014, 10:26:AM »
 I think we'd all like to see the proof that you have as you've said it often enough now. If the police were having a hard time finding any,then it's down to you !!