The Pargeter rifle

[scipio_usmc]

I'm afraid it does and his certificate specified exactly that and that was the very reason he left it at WHF. The licensing laws are very strict on that.

I'd like to see a copy because I have not heard of such a thing and I have friends who moved from England who owned weapons there and here and talked to me about how much better things are here because they could use any range they like and just collect weapons without even needing to want them for target shooting or hunting.  The law as they explained it to me matches what I have read regardling legal information.  I can't find anything that mentions a firearms license limiting possession to a specific place. 

Storage laws have to do with what they must be locked in but that's it not where.   

[nugnug]

of course if someone else got hold of your gun and killed someone with it you would also be in danger of losing you licence.

i wonder if that's what he suspected.

[Jane]

A firearms certificate doesn't require you to store the weapon on particular property.  It governs the right to purchase and own a weapon and specifies where and for what purpose any wepaons that are purchased under said certificate can be USED.

A weapon can be used for target shooting or for use killing animals on specific lands.  The certificate will specify either use or both but must specify at least 1.   

The claim Anthony would be in violation of the law by taking his own weapon home is nonsense.  He would be in violation of the law if he tried to use a weapon for a purpose not authorized according to the terms of the certificate or on property where he was not authorized to do so.

It has to do with use not storage of the weapon.

NO, but it DOES require that it's kept in a locked gun cupboard so if the gun owner's own residence doesn't have one, a named residence must be found. Pargeter may well have been in violation of the gun laws had he taken his weapon to a place without provision for its' safe keeping.

[nugnug]

he would need permission to move it to a different address so theirs no doubt he was in breach of his terms.

[scipio_usmc]

NO, but it DOES require that it's kept in a locked gun cupboard so if the gun owner's own residence doesn't have one, a named residence must be found. Pargeter may well have been in violation of the gun laws had he taken his weapon to a place without provision for its' safe keeping.

Today it does but such law was passed well after the murders. It went into force in 1989 (Firearms Rules 1989 Section (4)(iv)(A))

[nugnug]

theirs also the matter of removing things from a crime scene without permission.

weather its your property or not your still not supposed to do it.

[Jane]

Today it does but such law was passed well after the murders. It went into force in 1989 (Firearms Rules 1989 Section (4)(iv)(A))

Which suggests the possibility that Pargeter kept it there because it was the only shoot he participated in. One wonders why, if he regularly kept it there, he felt the need to remove it.

[scipio_usmc]

Which suggests the possibility that Pargeter kept it there because it was the only shoot he participated in. One wonders why, if he regularly kept it there, he felt the need to remove it.

If he removed it after the murders it is obvious, he would no longer be visiting and scared Jeremy would steal it.

My mom's cousin left his tools at the house his mother shared with her brothers (all were elderly so he fixed up things for them).  After she died he still kept the tools there to take care of his uncles.  Another cousin did some illicit things and sold the house to keep the money for himself and either stole the tools or threw them away claiming they were not found by him. 

If he did so before the murders there are still logical reasons f or it but it is less easy to know for sure why

[lookout]

 A week before the murders too,April. ?

 Apparently,,he used to remove the bolt so it couldn't be used.

[nugnug]

sorry im a bit confused now did he do it before the murders or after.

[lookout]

 Nugs,,do a search on the forum------" the three dodgy prosecution witnesses cook,jones and boutflour " that'll also tell you about pargeters rifle.

[Jane]

If he removed it after the murders it is obvious, he would no longer be visiting and scared Jeremy would steal it.

My mom's cousin left his tools at the house his mother shared with her brothers (all were elderly so he fixed up things for them).  After she died he still kept the tools there to take care of his uncles.  Another cousin did some illicit things and sold the house to keep the money for himself and either stole the tools or threw them away claiming they were not found by him. 

If he did so before the murders there are still logical reasons f or it but it is less easy to know for sure why

I'm sure it's perfectly obvious to you, as a prosecutor, that if he removed it after the murders, he just walked in, removed said fire arm and walked out again ,without informing anyone of what he'd done, without it looking in the least bit suspicious. I, on the other hand feel such an action is rather odd, not to say, unfeeling, given that his relatives had died so horribly.

[lookout]

 Plus the fact that there were 15 bullets in one rifle and 10 in the other !

[scipio_usmc]

I'm sure it's perfectly obvious to you, as a prosecutor, that if he removed it after the murders, he just walked in, removed said fire arm and walked out again ,without informing anyone of what he'd done, without it looking in the least bit suspicious. I, on the other hand feel such an action is rather odd, not to say, unfeeling, given that his relatives had died so horribly.

There is nothing wrong at all with doing so after police already take what they want.  Had Inspector Jones have actually done his job instead of deciding it was a murder suicide just based on Jeremy's say so and the fact the gun was found on her body and handled it as a traditional homicide investigation then police would have taken all firearms in the house.  They didn't which is the fault of police. 

There is nothing that prevents removing property after police process a scene.  If it is your property you can take it.

The lack of proper crime scene handling mostly stems from Taff Jones deciding he was chalking it up to murder suicide and that's it, not even bothering to call a firearms expert to the scene.  This explains in part why he lost command of the case since under his direction it was so poorly handled.

[scipio_usmc]

Plus the fact that there were 15 bullets in one rifle and 10 in the other !

The shell casings were all fired from the murder weapon per the firing pin impressions/extraction marks/ breech marks.

This means not only were the 15 bullets that had striae to indicate they were fired from the murder weapon fired from it but also the remaining 10.