The Pargeter rifle

[scipio_usmc]

now if he really did take the bolt of his riffle then his couldent of been used while at whf and nobody would of tried to use it.

but hes storys indicates that hes worried someone else is using it.

He said he took the bolt so that no one at WHF could use the rifle in his absence.

To prevail at trial the newspaper needed to be able to prove either that his rifle (including its bolt) was at WHF on the night of the murders OR that after conducting a reasonable inquiry the newspaper had a reasonable basis for believing the rifle (including its bolt) was at WHF on the night of the murders.

They had none though.  At the time of the article they had in their possession statements from AP saying he generally kept his weapons there but not the bolt so that his rifle could not be used and then a more specific statement saying he took the entire rifle home with him after his visit a week prior and only left his shotguns.

So how did they have a basis to suggest it might have been used?

At minimum they would need someone claiming the gun including its bolt was there at the time and such person would need to be in a position to know for the paper to be able to reasonably rely on it.

There of course is another possibility, that someone took his gun to WHF to commit the murders and left with it.  This is the possibility that most implicates AP as a potential killer.  Does anyone have the article because if the article implies this possibility then even more it would be obvious why the damages resulted.

[scipio_usmc]

If bullets were loaded separately,,it was a woman and not a man ! Anschutz rifles by their name,nature and years of use, were quite simple to load,,especially one by one.A child could do it no problem,,hence the scattered bullets on the table where the phone was.

Just thought I'd put my six-penn'orth in.

They are not worth even a half penny.

The magazine has to be loaded 1 by 1. You can't load multiples in magazines without using a stripper clip.

Moreover, Jeremy is the one who claims he dumped the bullets on the workstation.  He stated such to police multiple times before the bodies were found as well as after they were found in his written statements.

Furthermore, loading a magazine without damaging long nails takes alot of practice and care.  Someone in a supposed frenzy who has dexterity issues from medication she was taking would not be likely to very slowly and carefully load ammunition.

[lookout]

 I'm not sure that Sheila would have been worrying about her nails or anything else. She was on a mission,,,or rather her mind was,so she'd certainly have been oblivious of her surrounds,her appearance and even her family.

[scipio_usmc]

I'm not sure that Sheila would have been worrying about her nails or anything else. She was on a mission,,,or rather her mind was,so she'd certainly have been oblivious of her surrounds,her appearance and even her family.

She wouldn't have been worried about her nails which is why she would not have loaded the bullets very slowly and carefully and instead would have broken a nail or 2, certainly her right index finger nail since that is the finger she would have used to push the bullets into the magazine.

The fact she didn't is simply further evidence she didn't load the magazine (the lack of elevated lead levels on her hands alreayd established she didn't handle the bullets)

She also would have broken some of her nails while beating Nevill with the rifle.  Grip something tight and bash it against something hard. If you have long nails they are going to chip, particularly when the stock broke. Maybe she had magic nails to go along with the magic grits from My Cousin Vinny.

This thread though is supposed to be about AP's rifle.

[lookout]

 There was running water at the farmhouse,so Sheila would have washed herself before eating,,later than the others. All that bull about handling kitchen utensils which left traces,was just that,,bull. It was the firearm residue.

[scipio_usmc]

There was running water at the farmhouse,so Sheila would have washed herself before eating,,later than the others. All that bull about handling kitchen utensils which left traces,was just that,,bull. It was the firearm residue.

There is no evidence she ate after anyone was murdered, she ate 2-6 hours before she was killed.  There is no evidence she was killed 2 hours let alone that she ate after they were killed.  Teh state of the kitchen indeed says that she didn't eat anything after they were dead.  There is no evidence she died significantly later than any of them and in fact the evidence says otherwise, that she died around the same time as the rest.

Your claim gunshot residue was found on her is what is bull.

[grahameb]

There is no evidence she ate after anyone was murdered, she ate 2-6 hours before she was killed.  There is no evidence she was killed 2 hours let alone that she ate after they were killed.  Teh state of the kitchen indeed says that she didn't eat anything after they were dead.  There is no evidence she died significantly later than any of them and in fact the evidence says otherwise, that she died around the same time as the rest.

Your claim gunshot residue was found on her is what is bull.

Well if residue was not found on her then she could not have been shot. To have no residue on a person that has been shot at close range is almost unbelievable.

[lookout]

 Nobody else was tested,I notice !

[grahameb]

Nobody else was tested,I notice !

If the cops all accepted it as a suicide, which they did of course. Then why test for residue? I personally believe that it was an after thought?

[scipio_usmc]

Well if residue was not found on her then she could not have been shot. To have no residue on a person that has been shot at close range is almost unbelievable.

We went through this before.

For her to hug the rifle and shoot herself and not get any residue of any kind on her clothing and hands would be extremely hard to believe.

gunshot residue is expelled to the sides of the mechanism housing the firing pin.  That is what sets off the primer and the primer is what forms the cloud of gunshot residue. The rifle, particulatly with the suppressor attached) is so long that even with the gun against the skin of a victim still could end up not depositing any gunshot residue.  If the gun was not being held by someone else but instead held by the victim close to the body THEN in that case there should be gunshot residue all over the clothing of the victim, particularly the clothing near the firing meachanism of the gun but also the hand firing the gun.  The other hand could potentially be far enough away to avoid it.

So the absense of gunshot residue is evidence she didn't shoot herself but rather someone held the gun horizontally at her.  This explains why Nevill also didn't have gunshot residue.  Even the close shot to his face featured the gun being held horizontally at him not vertically up and down against his body.

When hand guns are used at very close range they frequently deposit some gunshot residue on the victims because they are much closer to a victim than someone with a rifle.  The longer the barrel of a weapon the further the shooter has to be and thus the greater the distance from where the primer is ignited.

She can't have changed an dwashed after being dead so this is a big problem.

Mike has come up with a rather elaborate scenario to get around all of this including the fact she didn't load any of the bullets.

He says June killed Nevill and the boys, she reloaded the gun, Sheila then killed June, she washed up and changed and police killed Sheila.

He has no evidence to establish it actually happened this way though.  Saying it is possible doesn't mean it is probable.

[scipio_usmc]

If the cops all accepted it as a suicide, which they did of course. Then why test for residue? I personally believe that it was an after thought?

They tested Nevill and Sheila because they had not been shot in bed while the rest were.  So of the victims these 2 were seen as the only ones who would have been likely to have done any shooting.

[lookout]

 Really ?

[nugnug]

it seems to me a remarkably lucky coincidence that he took the gun away a week before murders.

seeing as he couldn't of possibly predicted the murders were going to happen.

it also rather curious he does not remember doing this until 6 years after the event.

[Jane]

it seems to me a remarkably lucky coincidence that he took the gun away a week before murders.

seeing as he couldn't of possibly predicted the murders were going to happen.

it also rather he does not remember doing this until 6 years after the event.

Isn't it a "curious coincidence" that Adam doesn't have it on his "curious coincidence" list

[lookout]

 Something definitely doesn't sit right at all.  This guy sued his family,,sued a newspaper and lives happily ever after in Ibiza.