Why does Jeremy protest his innocence ?

[Jane]

Thank you April.

My pleasure, Adam

[lookout]

Sheila was always the one who'd stick up for her brother,,as Jeremy used to be crying on the school bus as the other kids skitted him for his " well-bred " voice. He was teased mercilessly and would just burst into tears instead of fighting back. What a wimp !  

[Adam]

Another reason Jeremy may protest his innocence is for his own safety.

He has already been attacked in prison. Either because the prisoners believe him guilty. Or because they are jealous of the attention he gets.

Admitting his guilt, obviously because it is his only chance of parole would result in more resentment from his fellow inmates. They would also lose respect for him. He would have to face them every day, feeling ashamed knowing that they know he is a liar. And feeling scared as a certainly guilty Jeremy is more likely to be attacked.

[grahameb]

Another reason Jeremy may protest his innocence is for his own safety.

He has already been attacked in prison. Either because the prisoners believe him guilty. Or because they are jealous of the attention he gets.

Admitting his guilt, obviously because it is his only chance of parole would result in more resentment from his fellow inmates. They would also lose respect for him. He would have to face them every day, feeling ashamed knowing that he is a liar. And feeling scared as a certainly guilty Jeremy is more likely to be attacked.

You overlook the fact that he passed a lie detector test. So even if he isn't innocent he certainly believes that he is.

[scipio_usmc]

You overlook the fact that he passed a lie detector test. So even if he isn't innocent he certainly believes that he is.

Not all people who can beat a lie detector have conviced themselves they are telling the truth.  If you are a calm confident liar you can beat it regardless of the skill of the person operating the equipment.

It detects that you are nervous so there are people telling the truth who still fail and people who lie who are not detected.  A pathological liar can beat even the best skilled operator.

With that said a lie detector depends a great deal on its operator and the one who performed his has a history of mistakes. On TV they show tremendous changes when you lie but there are actually pretty subtle changes and what 1 operator views as deceptive another might not.

This is why a lie detector is used mainly for investigation.  Often out of desperation to narrow down a large field of subjects.  But on occasion that backfires and guilty people are cleared, an investigation drags on and years later they find out they had cleared the suspect already.

The only way Jeremy would ever confess were if there were something very favorable he stood to gain from it.  The only benefit would be going from 0% chance of parole to a .01% percent chance of parole and being broke if he does get paroled so having to work for a living. I don't think anyone in his place would confess.



 

   

[lookout]

 A pathological liar can FAIL a polygram by using inner effort to make sure his lies are the truth to him.
 As can a psychopath fail too for the same reason. They are so sure of themselves,that they let themselves down by their " thought mechanism " which the polygraph picks up.

Read about both.

[grahameb]

Not all people who can beat a lie detector have conviced themselves they are telling the truth.  If you are a calm confident liar you can beat it regardless of the skill of the person operating the equipment.

It detects that you are nervous so there are people telling the truth who still fail and people who lie who are not detected.  A pathological liar can beat even the best skilled operator.

With that said a lie detector depends a great deal on its operator and the one who performed his has a history of mistakes. On TV they show tremendous changes when you lie but there are actually pretty subtle changes and what 1 operator views as deceptive another might not.

This is why a lie detector is used mainly for investigation.  Often out of desperation to narrow down a large field of subjects.  But on occasion that backfires and guilty people are cleared, an investigation drags on and years later they find out they had cleared the suspect already.

The only way Jeremy would ever confess were if there were something very favorable he stood to gain from it.  The only benefit would be going from 0% chance of parole to a .01% percent chance of parole and being broke if he does get paroled so having to work for a living. I don't think anyone in his place would confess.



 

 

But I bet if he failed the test the guilty party would make a meal of it and tell us all that the lie detector proved that he was lying?

[scipio_usmc]

But I bet if he failed the test the guilty party would make a meal of it and tell us all that the lie detector proved that he was lying?

If he failed we never would have heard about it in the first place.  When you commission a polygraph you do so with the intention to reveal you took it and publish the result only if you pass. much like if you take an IQ test and get a low score you don't tell anyone.  If you get a high score you forward the results around.

 

[gringo]

If he failed we never would have heard about it in the first place.  When you commission a polygraph you do so with the intention to reveal you took it and publish the result only if you pass. much like if you take an IQ test and get a low score you don't tell anyone.  If you get a high score you forward the results around.

  You haven't thought this one through have you?
      It took a number of requests before JB was allowed to take the polygraph test and it was known that the test was taking place. Category A prisoners can't just nip off to do a quick polygraph test without anyone knowing, so had he failed the results would have been known.
      Google Adrian Prout who thought he could deceive the polygraph test and then tell me why he didn't just follow your advice and not tell anyone that he had failed.
      You claim to use logic and reason to come to your conclusions but it is obvious you come to the conclusion first and then try to fit the  logic around your preconceived notions as demonstrated above.
       

[grahameb]

Not all people who can beat a lie detector have conviced themselves they are telling the truth.  If you are a calm confident liar you can beat it regardless of the skill of the person operating the equipment.

It detects that you are nervous so there are people telling the truth who still fail and people who lie who are not detected.  A pathological liar can beat even the best skilled operator.

With that said a lie detector depends a great deal on its operator and the one who performed his has a history of mistakes. On TV they show tremendous changes when you lie but there are actually pretty subtle changes and what 1 operator views as deceptive another might not.

This is why a lie detector is used mainly for investigation.  Often out of desperation to narrow down a large field of subjects.  But on occasion that backfires and guilty people are cleared, an investigation drags on and years later they find out they had cleared the suspect already.

The only way Jeremy would ever confess were if there were something very favorable he stood to gain from it.  The only benefit would be going from 0% chance of parole to a .01% percent chance of parole and being broke if he does get paroled so having to work for a living. I don't think anyone in his place would confess.



 

 

Before the whole life tarrif was introduced Jeremy if he confessed could have been out years ago. He has protested his innocence right from the beginning. The only people who have benefitted from his conviction are the relatives (with the exception of Pamela Boutflour who refused the inheritance) and Mugford.

[lookout]

 Please think hard about what had happened in Sheilas' life,prior to the murders.
 Poor Neville bore the brunt of two " highly-strung " women. One of whom hadn't long been treated at Harley Street,,the other whose behaviour became more and more erratic after her birth mother left for Canada !

[lookout]

 Anyone ever heard of Covert Psychological Murders ? WHF is typical of there having been such crimes.

[Adam]

This relates to the recent discussion about whether Jeremy is psychopath and the narcacisstic immunity thread.

A psychiatrist saying on a posted Youtube video that by 'sheer force of personality he thinks he can make it work'. Jeremy saying things like 'I cannot believe I won't win this'.

[lookout]

 I'd shake anyones' hand if they could beat this system/establishment of red-tape,bureaurocracy and politics,guilty or not.  Innocence will always be hidden under a cloak of secrecy to protect the guilty,as in Operation Hedgerow where top brass from Scotland yard feared opening a can of worms on paedophilia. A superior in the police force halted an investigation because he knew that prominent people were involved.

So don't talk to me about" protesting his innocence".The innocent have NO voice !!
If Jeremy was a monster,he'd be getting legal aid to the tune of £1million !! That's how the system works.

[Jan]

  You haven't thought this one through have you?
      It took a number of requests before JB was allowed to take the polygraph test and it was known that the test was taking place. Category A prisoners can't just nip off to do a quick polygraph test without anyone knowing, so had he failed the results would have been known.
      Google Adrian Prout who thought he could deceive the polygraph test and then tell me why he didn't just follow your advice and not tell anyone that he had failed.
      You claim to use logic and reason to come to your conclusions but it is obvious you come to the conclusion first and then try to fit the  logic around your preconceived notions as demonstrated above.
     

Thanks for bumping this thread up - because this is a good post . Very observant.