The relatives framing Jeremy in two days. Possible ?

[Jan]

Let me just answer that in two stages Adam. (1) The relatives if of course they did indeed frame Jeremy would not have to agree in unison. It would basically only need one crooked person to frame someone.
(2) They didn't need to know all the other points you listed in order to fake the silencer evidence. IF they did want to frame Bamber then they didn't need to know about blood spatter or contact shots or indeed anything else. In fact the police had shown such stupidity in the handling of the case it shouldn't have been too difficult to fool them with faked evidence? Once again Adam you are making things too complicated when in actual fact it was probably such an easy thing to do if they wanted to do it.

They would know about blood inside guns - they were farming /hunting /shooting/ fishing types

[lookout]

 Did Jeremy know for absolute certainty that it was his fathers' voice he'd heard at the other end of the phone ?

Sheila has got " the " gun.
I've found " the " silencer.

Both said in the context of being important, satisfying and most approved.

[Mr. Gee]

Did Jeremy know for absolute certainty that it was his fathers' voice he'd heard at the other end of the phone ?

Sheila has got " the " gun.
I've found " the " silencer.

Both said in the context of being important, satisfying and most approved.

I don't think so lookout. No man would be able to live with himself if he did that crime. He would be mentally unstable at the very least.

[lookout]

I don't think so lookout. No man would be able to live with himself if he did that crime. He would be mentally unstable at the very least.

Oh I don't know Mr G. Some people can live their lives quite comfortably when they know that the world and its wife are against the poor sod who was duped. This counts for everyone involved because they all know/knew what they DID !

[lookout]

 It's known as being without a conscience !

[Mr. Gee]

It's known as being without a conscience !

Yes I have known people with seared consciences.

[Adam]

RB's diaries say the relatives first went to the police after 24 hours. Not being convinced by Jeremy's story.

This refutes the suggestion they know he's innocent and suddenly decided to attempt a frame up weeks later. Because they were greedy.

[maggie]

RB's diaries say the relatives first went to the police after 24 hours. Not being convinced by Jeremy's story.

This refutes the suggestion they know he's innocent and suddenly decided to attempt a frame up weeks later. Because they were greedy.

Think you miss the point Adam, most members who query the involvement of the relatives believe they may very well have believed/convinced themselves that Jeremy was the murderer for various reasons.  It is true we can subconsciously convince ourselves of anything if we want to without realising we're doing it, an argument the guilters on here sometimes use against the innocents and vice versa 
Fact is just because they believed he was guilty doesn't mean he was/is, it was only their take on the situation.

[lookout]

 It was NEVER up to the relatives to state whether they believed Jeremy or not.They DIDN'T know the man ! What proof did they have ? NONE.! Speaking of which,neither did anyone else have proof.

[Jan]

RB's diaries say the relatives first went to the police after 24 hours. Not being convinced by Jeremy's story.

This refutes the suggestion they know he's innocent and suddenly decided to attempt a frame up weeks later. Because they were greedy.

perhaps when they did not get their own way they then decided they needed to seal his fate?

And we all know they thought he was guilty from day one within hours - Anyone would think they knew what had happened .

[Caroline]

It's known as being without a conscience !

Yeah - a psychopath! Someone like that night never admit their guilty 

[Caroline]

Think you miss the point Adam, most members who query the involvement of the relatives believe they may very well have believed/convinced themselves that Jeremy was the murderer for various reasons.  It is true we can subconsciously convince ourselves of anything if we want to without realising we're doing it, an argument the guilters on here sometimes use against the innocents and vice versa 
Fact is just because they believed he was guilty doesn't mean he was/is,it was only their take on the situation.

And they knew him better than anyone here!

[lookout]

And they knew him better than anyone here!

They MIGHT have thought they knew him,.Afterall,it takes one to know one does it not ?

[Caroline]

They MIGHT have thought they knew him,.Afterall,it takes one to know one does it not ?

They most definitely knew him better than you or I or anyone else here.

[Mr. Gee]

RB's diaries say the relatives first went to the police after 24 hours. Not being convinced by Jeremy's story.

This refutes the suggestion they know he's innocent and suddenly decided to attempt a frame up weeks later. Because they were greedy.

No, but it does show that they plotted against him from the very word go.