Unidentified Male, seen at Whf, PC Myall, at 3.45am...

[mike tesko]

PC Myall's claim that he saw an unidentified male at the scene at 3:45am, undermines the timings which have been recorded in Bonnets log (3:26am) in the same way that the timings in PC West's log (3:36am) are undermined by the excuse that the clock in the control room was ten minutes fast - well, my point is this, now that we have established that the timings in both phone logs cannot be accurate, does it not suggest in the strongest possible terms that both West and Bonnet were relying upon the same clock, which was ten minutes out of synchronization?

I think so...

It would be asking too much to expect us to believe that there were two different clocks relied upon by Bonnet and West, and that both clocks were ten minutes out of synchronization...

[mike tesko]

PC Myall wasn't even at the house at 3.45.

-------------------------

Oh, yes he was...

Oh no he wasn't ...

----

Oh yes he was, and he shouldn't be making notes about being there at that time, and claiming to have seen an unidentified male at the scene at 3:45am, if he was not there...

Funny how only PS Bews says they saw a silhouetted figure at the bedroom window that he claims was a trick of light (depending upon which version he is telling) or the moon reflecting upon the glass of the bedroom window...

How come, both PC Myall and PS Bews, do not say the same thing?

Myall, Bews, and Bamber were in the grounds at whf by 3:45am - its a nailed on certainty...

The unidentified male who PC Myall did see at whf at 3:45am, gives JB the perfect alibi - because at the time of the sighting of that male person at the bedroom window, JB was outside in the company of Bews and Myall...

These are the FACTS...

It's all there in the MAJOR INCIDENT PROJECT which EP created and produced to help them identify who the male person that had been seen inside whf, at 3:45am, could have been? They know it was not JB because he was outside in the grounds of the house with the police, so it had to be either Ralph Bamber, or another male person...

This sighting was part of the reason why EP seized JB's answer phone, and why they arrested Mathew McDonald, on suspicion of him being the hitman, who may have been seen inside the bedroom window by PC Myall at about 3:45am...

Please post a document written by PC Myall which says that he saw a male person at a window at 3.45 am, otherwise I have no choice but to conclude that you made all that up.

-----------------------

I am afraid the only person making anything up, is you...

You don't have that document then. I thought not.

I'm getting mightily tired of the bullshit on this forum ...

------------------

yeah, what you keep relying upon...

[Kaldin]

PC Myall wasn't even at the house at 3.45.

-------------------------

Oh, yes he was...

Oh no he wasn't ...

----

Oh yes he was, and he shouldn't be making notes about being there at that time, and claiming to have seen an unidentified male at the scene at 3:45am, if he was not there...

Funny how only PS Bews says they saw a silhouetted figure at the bedroom window that he claims was a trick of light (depending upon which version he is telling) or the moon reflecting upon the glass of the bedroom window...

How come, both PC Myall and PS Bews, do not say the same thing?

Myall, Bews, and Bamber were in the grounds at whf by 3:45am - its a nailed on certainty...

The unidentified male who PC Myall did see at whf at 3:45am, gives JB the perfect alibi - because at the time of the sighting of that male person at the bedroom window, JB was outside in the company of Bews and Myall...

These are the FACTS...

It's all there in the MAJOR INCIDENT PROJECT which EP created and produced to help them identify who the male person that had been seen inside whf, at 3:45am, could have been? They know it was not JB because he was outside in the grounds of the house with the police, so it had to be either Ralph Bamber, or another male person...

This sighting was part of the reason why EP seized JB's answer phone, and why they arrested Mathew McDonald, on suspicion of him being the hitman, who may have been seen inside the bedroom window by PC Myall at about 3:45am...

Please post a document written by PC Myall which says that he saw a male person at a window at 3.45 am, otherwise I have no choice but to conclude that you made all that up.

-----------------------

I am afraid the only person making anything up, is you...

Hang on a second Mike, I believe you started the following thread 

"Timetable of Events - Ralph / Jeremy phone calls"

That thread includes the following -

Timetable of Events - Ralph / Jeremy phone calls

Ralph Bamber

(1) 03:25am - Ralph calls Jeremy
(2) 03:26am - Ralph calls police
(3) 03:35am - Ca07 and occupants are deployed to the scene at whf
(4) 03:48am - CA07 arrives at whf
(5) 04:02am - CA07 makes a request from the scene for the firearms team to be deployed

Jeremy Bamber

(1) 03:25am - Jeremy receives call from Ralph
(2) 03:30am - Jeremy calls Julie Mugford
(3) 03:36am - Jeremy calls police
(4) 03:36am - CA06 deployed to scene at whf in response to Jeremy's call
(5) 03:45am - Jeremy leaves cottage to go to scene at whf
(6) 03:52am - Jeremy arrives at whf
(7) 04:00am - Jeremy and police see silhouetted figure at bedroom window of whf
( 04:23am - CA06 arrives at the scene, whf


Now you are saying…………

Myall, Bews, and Bamber were in the grounds at whf by 3:45am - its a nailed on certainty...

In my opinion, I am afraid the above include major contradictions and require some kind of a detailed explanation.

Good luck with that ....

[Kaldin]

PC Myall wasn't even at the house at 3.45.

-------------------------

Oh, yes he was...

Oh no he wasn't ...

----

Oh yes he was, and he shouldn't be making notes about being there at that time, and claiming to have seen an unidentified male at the scene at 3:45am, if he was not there...

Funny how only PS Bews says they saw a silhouetted figure at the bedroom window that he claims was a trick of light (depending upon which version he is telling) or the moon reflecting upon the glass of the bedroom window...

How come, both PC Myall and PS Bews, do not say the same thing?

Myall, Bews, and Bamber were in the grounds at whf by 3:45am - its a nailed on certainty...

The unidentified male who PC Myall did see at whf at 3:45am, gives JB the perfect alibi - because at the time of the sighting of that male person at the bedroom window, JB was outside in the company of Bews and Myall...

These are the FACTS...

It's all there in the MAJOR INCIDENT PROJECT which EP created and produced to help them identify who the male person that had been seen inside whf, at 3:45am, could have been? They know it was not JB because he was outside in the grounds of the house with the police, so it had to be either Ralph Bamber, or another male person...

This sighting was part of the reason why EP seized JB's answer phone, and why they arrested Mathew McDonald, on suspicion of him being the hitman, who may have been seen inside the bedroom window by PC Myall at about 3:45am...

Please post a document written by PC Myall which says that he saw a male person at a window at 3.45 am, otherwise I have no choice but to conclude that you made all that up.

-----------------------

I am afraid the only person making anything up, is you...

You don't have that document then. I thought not.

I'm getting mightily tired of the bullshit on this forum ...

------------------

yeah, what you keep relying upon...

I'm not relying on your daft claims ....

[bob]

I actually asked for this a few threads ago... because I knew the defence seemed reluctant to ever spell ALL the defence out in one go... because it would look ludicrous. In small portions it just about sounds credible, albeit with slightly eccentric interpretations, but when added up - it's crazy than a box of frogs.

From what I can gather, JB seems to have maintained a deliberate policy of always keeping some "new" evidence back from each review/appeal, so that he can always subsequently present something "new" to trigger further appeals.

This seems a little odd. I think if I was innocent and granted an appeal I'd want to throw everything I knew that might help me into that process so as to maximise my chances. I don't think I'd think of retaining some evidence so I could have another go at some later stage.

[mike tesko]

PC Myall wasn't even at the house at 3.45.

-------------------------

Oh, yes he was...

Oh no he wasn't ...

----

Oh yes he was, and he shouldn't be making notes about being there at that time, and claiming to have seen an unidentified male at the scene at 3:45am, if he was not there...

Funny how only PS Bews says they saw a silhouetted figure at the bedroom window that he claims was a trick of light (depending upon which version he is telling) or the moon reflecting upon the glass of the bedroom window...

How come, both PC Myall and PS Bews, do not say the same thing?

Myall, Bews, and Bamber were in the grounds at whf by 3:45am - its a nailed on certainty...

The unidentified male who PC Myall did see at whf at 3:45am, gives JB the perfect alibi - because at the time of the sighting of that male person at the bedroom window, JB was outside in the company of Bews and Myall...

These are the FACTS...

It's all there in the MAJOR INCIDENT PROJECT which EP created and produced to help them identify who the male person that had been seen inside whf, at 3:45am, could have been? They know it was not JB because he was outside in the grounds of the house with the police, so it had to be either Ralph Bamber, or another male person...

This sighting was part of the reason why EP seized JB's answer phone, and why they arrested Mathew McDonald, on suspicion of him being the hitman, who may have been seen inside the bedroom window by PC Myall at about 3:45am...

Please post a document written by PC Myall which says that he saw a male person at a window at 3.45 am, otherwise I have no choice but to conclude that you made all that up.

-----------------------

I am afraid the only person making anything up, is you...

Hang on a second Mike, I believe you started the following thread 

"Timetable of Events - Ralph / Jeremy phone calls"

That thread includes the following -

Timetable of Events - Ralph / Jeremy phone calls

Ralph Bamber

(1) 03:25am - Ralph calls Jeremy
(2) 03:26am - Ralph calls police
(3) 03:35am - Ca07 and occupants are deployed to the scene at whf
(4) 03:48am - CA07 arrives at whf
(5) 04:02am - CA07 makes a request from the scene for the firearms team to be deployed

Jeremy Bamber

(1) 03:25am - Jeremy receives call from Ralph
(2) 03:30am - Jeremy calls Julie Mugford
(3) 03:36am - Jeremy calls police
(4) 03:36am - CA06 deployed to scene at whf in response to Jeremy's call
(5) 03:45am - Jeremy leaves cottage to go to scene at whf
(6) 03:52am - Jeremy arrives at whf
(7) 04:00am - Jeremy and police see silhouetted figure at bedroom window of whf
( 04:23am - CA06 arrives at the scene, whf


Now you are saying…………

Myall, Bews, and Bamber were in the grounds at whf by 3:45am - its a nailed on certainty...

In my opinion, I am afraid the above include major contradictions and require some kind of a detailed explanation.

--------------------------

Hang on a minute, yourself - I am not saying that Bews, Saxby and Myall arrived at the scene on an earlier occasion - PC Myall is / does...

[mike tesko]

PC Myall wasn't even at the house at 3.45.

-------------------------

Oh, yes he was...

Oh no he wasn't ...

----

Oh yes he was, and he shouldn't be making notes about being there at that time, and claiming to have seen an unidentified male at the scene at 3:45am, if he was not there...

Funny how only PS Bews says they saw a silhouetted figure at the bedroom window that he claims was a trick of light (depending upon which version he is telling) or the moon reflecting upon the glass of the bedroom window...

How come, both PC Myall and PS Bews, do not say the same thing?

Myall, Bews, and Bamber were in the grounds at whf by 3:45am - its a nailed on certainty...

The unidentified male who PC Myall did see at whf at 3:45am, gives JB the perfect alibi - because at the time of the sighting of that male person at the bedroom window, JB was outside in the company of Bews and Myall...

These are the FACTS...

It's all there in the MAJOR INCIDENT PROJECT which EP created and produced to help them identify who the male person that had been seen inside whf, at 3:45am, could have been? They know it was not JB because he was outside in the grounds of the house with the police, so it had to be either Ralph Bamber, or another male person...

This sighting was part of the reason why EP seized JB's answer phone, and why they arrested Mathew McDonald, on suspicion of him being the hitman, who may have been seen inside the bedroom window by PC Myall at about 3:45am...

Please post a document written by PC Myall which says that he saw a male person at a window at 3.45 am, otherwise I have no choice but to conclude that you made all that up.

-----------------------

I am afraid the only person making anything up, is you...

Hang on a second Mike, I believe you started the following thread 

"Timetable of Events - Ralph / Jeremy phone calls"

That thread includes the following -

Timetable of Events - Ralph / Jeremy phone calls

Ralph Bamber

(1) 03:25am - Ralph calls Jeremy
(2) 03:26am - Ralph calls police
(3) 03:35am - Ca07 and occupants are deployed to the scene at whf
(4) 03:48am - CA07 arrives at whf
(5) 04:02am - CA07 makes a request from the scene for the firearms team to be deployed

Jeremy Bamber

(1) 03:25am - Jeremy receives call from Ralph
(2) 03:30am - Jeremy calls Julie Mugford
(3) 03:36am - Jeremy calls police
(4) 03:36am - CA06 deployed to scene at whf in response to Jeremy's call
(5) 03:45am - Jeremy leaves cottage to go to scene at whf
(6) 03:52am - Jeremy arrives at whf
(7) 04:00am - Jeremy and police see silhouetted figure at bedroom window of whf
( 04:23am - CA06 arrives at the scene, whf


Now you are saying…………

Myall, Bews, and Bamber were in the grounds at whf by 3:45am - its a nailed on certainty...

In my opinion, I am afraid the above include major contradictions and require some kind of a detailed explanation.

Good luck with that ....

---------------------

Yes, I have just dealt with it - PC Myall claims he saw an unidentified male at the scene at 3:45am...

What more is there to say?

[mike tesko]

I actually asked for this a few threads ago... because I knew the defence seemed reluctant to ever spell ALL the defence out in one go... because it would look ludicrous. In small portions it just about sounds credible, albeit with slightly eccentric interpretations, but when added up - it's crazy than a box of frogs.

From what I can gather, JB seems to have maintained a deliberate policy of always keeping some "new" evidence back from each review/appeal, so that he can always subsequently present something "new" to trigger further appeals.

This seems a little odd. I think if I was innocent and granted an appeal I'd want to throw everything I knew that might help me into that process so as to maximise my chances. I don't think I'd think of retaining some evidence so I could have another go at some later stage.

-----------------------

Yes, well at the last appeal (2002)  that approach didn't work at all, so there is the problem...

[Kaldin]

Yes, I have just dealt with it - PC Myall claims he saw an unidentified male at the scene at 3:45am...

What more is there to say?

Nothing, because it's bullshit ....

[curiousessex]

Mike your post says 'Myall, Bews, and Bamber were in the grounds at whf by 3:45am - its a nailed on certainty...'

and includes the comment 'its a nailed on certainty.....'

This, to me, is you saying they were there by 3.45am

[mike tesko]

PC Myall wasn't even at the house at 3.45.

-------------------------

Oh, yes he was...

Oh no he wasn't ...

----

Oh yes he was, and he shouldn't be making notes about being there at that time, and claiming to have seen an unidentified male at the scene at 3:45am, if he was not there...

Funny how only PS Bews says they saw a silhouetted figure at the bedroom window that he claims was a trick of light (depending upon which version he is telling) or the moon reflecting upon the glass of the bedroom window...

How come, both PC Myall and PS Bews, do not say the same thing?

Myall, Bews, and Bamber were in the grounds at whf by 3:45am - its a nailed on certainty...

The unidentified male who PC Myall did see at whf at 3:45am, gives JB the perfect alibi - because at the time of the sighting of that male person at the bedroom window, JB was outside in the company of Bews and Myall...

These are the FACTS...

It's all there in the MAJOR INCIDENT PROJECT which EP created and produced to help them identify who the male person that had been seen inside whf, at 3:45am, could have been? They know it was not JB because he was outside in the grounds of the house with the police, so it had to be either Ralph Bamber, or another male person...

This sighting was part of the reason why EP seized JB's answer phone, and why they arrested Mathew McDonald, on suspicion of him being the hitman, who may have been seen inside the bedroom window by PC Myall at about 3:45am...

Please post a document written by PC Myall which says that he saw a male person at a window at 3.45 am, otherwise I have no choice but to conclude that you made all that up.

-----------------------

I am afraid the only person making anything up, is you...

You don't have that document then. I thought not.

I'm getting mightily tired of the bullshit on this forum ...

------------------

yeah, what you keep relying upon...

I'm not relying on your daft claims ....

---------------------

Rely on your own daft claims then...

[mike tesko]

Yes, I have just dealt with it - PC Myall claims he saw an unidentified male at the scene at 3:45am...

What more is there to say?

Nothing, because it's bullshit ....

---------------------------

You describe your views very well...

[bob]

Yes, I have just dealt with it - PC Myall claims he saw an unidentified male at the scene at 3:45am...

What more is there to say?

Could you just post a copy of the document that shows this Mike then the issue would be resolved. Cheers.

[Kaldin]

Yes, I have just dealt with it - PC Myall claims he saw an unidentified male at the scene at 3:45am...

What more is there to say?

Nothing, because it's bullshit ....

---------------------------

You describe your views very well...

Ha!

So you don't have the document which proves your bullshit claim then.

[Kaldin]

Yes, I have just dealt with it - PC Myall claims he saw an unidentified male at the scene at 3:45am...

What more is there to say?

Could you just post a copy of the document that shows this Mike then the issue would be resolved. Cheers.

Of course he can't.