Julie Mugford's Diary (Archive Version)

[Caroline]

Found a copy on my laptop Tyler Now also in the archives!

[Caroline]

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[Alias]

OK, in best Adam-style, I copy/paste my thoughts on the diary from another thread to here. 

The entries sound as if she were a stenographer, very point by point. They also sound as if they were written some time after events, and they sound as if she is writing FOR someone - like a time-line.
To me it doesn´t appear to be a young person´s diary. It is a bit.... off.

P.S. as an example she writes on the page of August 17: For a day we were quite happy. If she had written the diary day by day wouldn´t she say something like: The day was quite happy - or: Today was quite happy.

Another thing: There is an entry on"August 6" (she couldn´t have known then, could she?  ):

"Night/morning of 5 murders at Tolleshunt D'Arcy.
- White House Farm

1) Mr Nevill Bamber    8 x 's
2) Mrs June Bamber   5 x 's
3) Mrs Sheila Caffell   All shot twice (suicide?)
4) Nicholas Caffell       3 x 's
5) Daniel Caffell          3 x 's"

It sounds like something a police officer would write, "Mrs Sheila Caffell", "Daniel Caffell".... Julie knew them, she would have written "Sheila" and "Daniel" etc.

Why so formal?

Not her diary - something concocted in collaboration with EP. Some of it undoubdetly true, some not.

Lastly, if this is not a day-by-day diary, we can see by the dates it isn´t, why use a diary with those dates? Can´t help thinking it is to give it an air of authenticity.

Just thinking aloud here - and not very coherently.... LOL

[Alias]

Now there are two threads about Julie´s diary. 

[Jane]

OK, in best Adam-style, I copy/paste my thoughts on the diary from another thread to here. 

The entries sound as if she were a stenographer, very point by point. They also sound as if they were written some time after events, and they sound as if she is writing FOR someone - like a time-line.
To me it doesn´t appear to be a young person´s diary. It is a bit.... off.

P.S. as an example she writes on the page of August 17: For a day we were quite happy. If she had written the diary day by day wouldn´t she say something like: The day was quite happy - or: Today was quite happy.

Another thing: There is an entry on"August 6" (she couldn´t have known then, could she?  ):

"Night/morning of 5 murders at Tolleshunt D'Arcy.
- White House Farm

1) Mr Nevill Bamber    8 x 's
2) Mrs June Bamber   5 x 's
3) Mrs Sheila Caffell   All shot twice (suicide?)
4) Nicholas Caffell       3 x 's
5) Daniel Caffell          3 x 's"

It sounds like something a police officer would write, "Mrs Sheila Caffell", "Daniel Caffell".... Julie knew them, she would have written "Sheila" and "Daniel" etc.

Why so formal?

Not her diary - something concocted in collaboration with EP. Some of it undoubdetly true, some not.

Lastly, if this is not a day-by-day diary, we can see by the dates it isn´t, why use a diary with those dates? Can´t help thinking it is to give it an air of authenticity.

Just thinking aloud here - and not very coherently.... LOL

No worries Alias. What you say makes perfect sense.

[Caroline]

Now there are two threads about Julie´s diary. 

I had to make a new thread for 2 reasons, If I had tried to post the diary pages in the old thread, I'd have been fighting against people posting and I had to upload them into a thread so I could put them in the archives. Besides, if it's good enough for Adam to make a thread about phones each time the wind changes, then it's good enough for me!! I thank you!

[grahameb]

OK, in best Adam-style, I copy/paste my thoughts on the diary from another thread to here. 

The entries sound as if she were a stenographer, very point by point. They also sound as if they were written some time after events, and they sound as if she is writing FOR someone - like a time-line.
To me it doesn´t appear to be a young person´s diary. It is a bit.... off.

P.S. as an example she writes on the page of August 17: For a day we were quite happy. If she had written the diary day by day wouldn´t she say something like: The day was quite happy - or: Today was quite happy.

Another thing: There is an entry on"August 6" (she couldn´t have known then, could she?  ):

"Night/morning of 5 murders at Tolleshunt D'Arcy.
- White House Farm

1) Mr Nevill Bamber    8 x 's
2) Mrs June Bamber   5 x 's
3) Mrs Sheila Caffell   All shot twice (suicide?)
4) Nicholas Caffell       3 x 's
5) Daniel Caffell          3 x 's"

It sounds like something a police officer would write, "Mrs Sheila Caffell", "Daniel Caffell".... Julie knew them, she would have written "Sheila" and "Daniel" etc.

Why so formal?

Not her diary - something concocted in collaboration with EP. Some of it undoubdetly true, some not.

Lastly, if this is not a day-by-day diary, we can see by the dates it isn´t, why use a diary with those dates? Can´t help thinking it is to give it an air of authenticity.

Just thinking aloud here - and not very coherently.... LOL

As I said. Because it was written for other people's eyes and not her own private thoughts.

[Jan]

I thought it looked more like notes afterwards to remind her what dates things had happened in case she forgot by time she got to court.

And agree its more like a sequence of events - with only odd interceptions bout her feelings -where in most diaries its more about emotions and feelings . IMO

[Alias]

Yes, for other people´s eyes, that is clear.

Now, I have a question. How do you people interpret what is written on the date August 15

Bought suit £300 (or 200, can´t read it) tie £30
offered to buy me designer dress - No

First of all, I find it strange that she mentions what Jeremy´s clothes COST - just odd.
Then I find that the second sentence can be interpreted in two ways - which is a general problem with the English language!! Sorry, but it is true! We can see it so clearly from police reports etc.   

[grahameb]

Yes, for other people´s eyes, that is clear.

Now, I have a question. How do you people interpret what is written on the date August 15

Bought suit £300 (or 200, can´t read it) tie £30
offered to buy me designer dress - No

First of all, I find it strange that she mentions what Jeremy´s clothes COST - just odd.
Then I find that the second sentence can be interpreted in two ways - which is a general problem with the English language!! Sorry, but it is true! We can see it so clearly from police reports etc.   

What police reports are those Alias?

[Alias]

What police reports are those Alias?

Just in general - they are often open for interpretation.

[Jane]

Yes, for other people´s eyes, that is clear.

Now, I have a question. How do you people interpret what is written on the date August 15

Bought suit £300 (or 200, can´t read it) tie £30
offered to buy me designer dress - No

First of all, I find it strange that she mentions what Jeremy´s clothes COST - just odd.
Then I find that the second sentence can be interpreted in two ways - which is a general problem with the English language!! Sorry, but it is true! We can see it so clearly from police reports etc.   

Alias, she writes rather in the way I took down notes at college, ie, to be expanded on at a later date.

[Alias]

Alias, she writes rather in the way I took down notes at college, ie, to be expanded on at a later date.

What does she mean by the second sentence: that Jeremy offered to buy her a designer dress and she said No. Or: "did he offer to buy me a disigner dress? - AS IF!"

I can´t tell.

[Caroline]

Just in general - they are often open for interpretation.

She mentions the cost of her frock in her witness statement so the diary was most likely cobbled together from that. It also just happens to mention the 'chuckle' alleged to have come from Jeremy when he was first left alone with Julie after the murders. Convenient that Jones also just happened to hear it too. There are LOTS of convenient occurrences where Stan Jones and Julie are concerned!!