Further developments regarding phone calls:

[Jan]

My word,,if Jeremy " had " changed his story,it would have been a genuine slip,,unlike others who not only changed their stories,,but also had statements altered too !!!

And so easy for EP to sort all this mess out by releasing the tape copies and original logs . For them just to be criticised for changing police logs is not good enough IMO

[Droosie]

My last thread established that Jeremy is certainly guilty.

Adam you are a very naughty boy lol.

Personally speaking I think if you had really planned a murder over some months or years as it is alleged Jeremy did, then you would think it down to the last detail. So if Jeremy DID kill his family then I would seriously doubt the phone call to police was a last minute decision. It was more likely an attempt to start the blame going towards Sheila....as it did until other events took over.

To be honest rather than mysterious I think that Jeremy (if guilty) simply didn't think that part through.

[Adam]

Adam you are a very naughty boy lol.

Personally speaking I think if you had really planned a murder over some months or years as it is alleged Jeremy did, then you would think it down to the last detail. So if Jeremy DID kill his family then I would seriously doubt the phone call to police was a last minute decision. It was more likely an attempt to start the blame going towards Sheila....as it did until other events took over.

Jeremy was not expecting Neville to put up a fight. So had to make an instant decision to explain him in the kitchen. 

Similar to having to make an instant decision about taking the silencer off after realising Sheilas arms were too short.

But a previous thread of mine states, Jeremy may have planned to phone the police.

[grahameb]

At first Jeremy claimed that there was a click and the phone call was disconnected which would mean it was hung up at White House Farms, presumably by the killer.

The phone company though said the phone was never hung up and simply remained off the hook. This prompted Jeremy to change his story from hearing a click to hearing various sounds including struggling and maybe gun shots being fired. 

He changed his story muliple times of what he heard.

I don't think he ever mentioned hearing any shots fired or any struggling? Could you please reference where you read that?

[grahameb]

Jeremy was not expecting Neville to put up a fight. So had to make an instant decision to explain him in the kitchen. 

Similar to having to make an instant decision about taking the silencer off after realising Sheilas arms were too short.

But a previous thread of mine states, Jeremy may have planned to phone the police.

If there was a murderer other than Sheila who was in a psychotic state, then I should think that the strongest person would have been put out of action first of all. Probably a shot to the temple at close range?

[lookout]

Jeremy was expecting Neville to put up a fight. So had to make an instant decision.

Similar to having to make an instant decision about taking the silencer off after realising Sheilas arms were too short.

But a previous thread of mine states, Jeremy may have planned to phone the police.

Firstly,,there was no fight. A struggle,perhaps as Neville tried to wrestle the gun from Sheila,,possibly the time a chunk was taken out of the rifle as Sheila jolted backwards when Neville released his hold,,and not that he was hit with the butt of it,as he'd have shown a fracture about the head.

The silencer was NOT used at all. Though which of the 5 silencers are you referring to,particularly ?

Jeremy did NOT plan to ring the police at all.He rang them as a matter of course and urgency after not receiving a reply from WHF.

[susan]

Adam had Jeremy Bamber committed the murders at WHF his main adversary would have been his Father so he would have got a shot at close range to take him out .  According to you Jeremy was so good at planning everything he had the common sense to know his Father would have put up a fight.  Now I would love to hear your theory how the three burn marks appeared on Ralph Bambers back would Jeremy have hung around to carry out this act and don't say he did it to see if he was dead because had he wished to confirm that he could have pumped more bullets in to the poor man your post does not make sense even to somebody who thinks Jeremy is guilty.

[Adam]

Adam had Jeremy Bamber committed the murders at WHF his main adversary would have been his Father so he would have got a shot at close range to take him out .  According to you Jeremy was so good at planning everything he had the common sense to know his Father would have put up a fight.  Now I would love to hear your theory how the three burn marks appeared on Ralph Bambers back would Jeremy have hung around to carry out this act and don't say he did it to see if he was dead because had he wished to confirm that he could have pumped more bullets in to the poor man your post does not make sense even to somebody who thinks Jeremy is guilty.

Jeremy did go into the main bedroom first in my view. Fully loaded in my opinion as Neville was shot five times before reaching the kitchen. June was also shot before she could leave the room.

Neville woke up before Jeremy could get a head shot.

How & when Neville got the burn marks are neither here or there.

[Adam]

Firstly,,there was no fight. A struggle,perhaps as Neville tried to wrestle the gun from Sheila,,possibly the time a chunk was taken out of the rifle as Sheila jolted backwards when Neville released his hold,,and not that he was hit with the butt of it,as he'd have shown a fracture about the head.

The silencer was NOT used at all. Though which of the 5 silencers are you referring to,particularly ?

Jeremy did NOT plan to ring the police at all.He rang them as a matter of course and urgency after not receiving a reply from WHF.

The rifle was used for shooting vermin. Why an earth take the silencer off. Ever ?

[Jan]

"How & when Neville got the burn marks are neither here or there"

Well I have got to say that is one of the most sweeping and indicative statement made by Adam.

If it does not fit into his "scenario" then it is not relevant . Just ignore the bits that don't fit , change timings to suit your own personal crime scene and ignore factual documents .

[Jan]

I don't think he ever mentioned hearing any shots fired or any struggling? Could you please reference where you read that?

exactly  - where did that little fact come from?

[Adam]

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=77.0

[lookout]

A distorted mind equals a more distorted view of the real facts in this case.

Adam,,consider that Neville could have used the phone in his office in which to ring Jeremy. If Sheila had been downstairs at the time,,which she could well have been,allowing Neville that short time to ring Jeremy,,,but,Sheila being downstairs,would have heard any conversation on the kitchen phone and belted upstairs to Neville pointing the rifle.
Neville would have replaced the office phone back on its cradle,but the kitchen one would have still been off its hook,so therefore Jeremy wouldn't have got an answer. Simple ? The engaged tone when Jeremy tried ringing again.

[Jan]

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=77.0

just stay on that forum then .

[Adam]

A distorted mind equals a more distorted view of the real facts in this case.

Adam,,consider that Neville could have used the phone in his office in which to ring Jeremy. If Sheila had been downstairs at the time,,which she could well have been,allowing Neville that short time to ring Jeremy,,,but,Sheila being downstairs,would have heard any conversation on the kitchen phone and belted upstairs to Neville pointing the rifle.
Neville would have replaced the office phone back on its cradle,but the kitchen one would have still been off its hook,so therefore Jeremy wouldn't have got an answer. Simple ? The engaged tone when Jeremy tried ringing again.

If the phone downstairs was taken off the hook, it disables all phones.

Why would Sheila be downstairs if she wanted to massacre them ? And why didn't Neville & June get ready for her to come upstairs & then converge on her ? Neville was defenceless in his PJ's. June in bed.