Beyond reasonable doubt.

[Jan]

yes I agree about the silencer and if it is discredited then the trial was definitely a mis-carriage of justice - I believe that is the case anyway.

If JM admitted she lied? Again because the case was based partly on her evidence not proof - the above would apply.

Recordings of police conversations on the night? Would these exist?

The Ambulances who attended - wonder if the medics who attended were privy to any information?

Suicide note?( not the one in the bible ) forgot about that possibility ? If there was one and it was proved to be written by SC ? that would be proof. Could that be in the PII info? But if there was one I guess the police would have shown that to the relatives in the beginning to stop them in their tracks when they suggested JB had done it.

Another gun was also involved and there was forensic evidence on that gun?


The bible that disappeared - if that was SC palm print and her blood ? Would that prove that she or someone else had cleaned her hands?

Just thinking out loud really.

[bigdaveglasgow75]

is there any proof that the house was  secure???

[Jane]

What are the actual facts that could prove his innocence without release on a technicality?

1) proof that the call from RNB actually took place - so not just the logs but a witness statement from the two officers who took the calls ? I don't think there is any other proof because we don't think there would have been records or itemised calls at that time?
2) If the silencer evidence is dis-credited then would that prove him innocent? Not necessarily as some people would say he did it without the silencer attached?
3) Evidence from Photos that some of the deaths had taken place only just before the police entered . Well they do seem to have that - but somehow that's not good enough.
4) Evidence that the bodies had been moved / staged ? that does appear to be there in photos and statements - but again even if the police did that, it does not prove his innocence - just incompetence in the way the crime scene was handled.
5) Something that could place Jeremy at home for the whole evening - witness - or confirmation of the call he received from RNB
6) Statements about what actually was the situation in the house whilst the police were outside ? again there is evidence there and proof that the police changed their  stories ( logs and subsequent interviews) but that does not seem to be good enough - but perhaps there are other logs or statements that we have not seen.
7) some more positive  forensics that showed SC at various points in the crime scene etc ( evidence burnt!)
If she was wearing other clothes evidence on those clothes?
9) Proof that the house was so secure that JB could not have committed the crime - escaped and then left the house in the locked state the police found it?


Any others people can think of ?

Adam if you reply with some sarcastic remarks that you have posted before - please be warned I will ignore you . I am looking for genuine comments on what I have posted.

Jansus, it looks to me that what is out there and capable of being proved can also be Adamized, ie BENT!

[bigdaveglasgow75]

hi april.

[Jane]

hi april.

Hello Dave.

[Jan]

is there any proof that the house was  secure???

I have always been told that the house was secure , locked from the inside. Proof that no-one else was involved.That is  why they had to prove that JB knew how to get out of the house but make it look like no-one had broken in.

[maggie]

is there any proof that the house was  secure???

The police stated they checked all the windows and doors were secured when they entered WHF. Don't let that bother you though because everyone knows Jeremy Bamber's middle name was Houdini and Sheila didn't know which end of a gun the bullets came out of and anyway, 6months ago she couldn't put beans on toast ..... to coin a phrase.

[susan]

Hello jansus  Jeremy volunteered this information to EP that he could lift the catch from outside open window then when leaving shut window and catch fell into place. Patti put up a super post but we need her back about the lock on the window was tested after the murders and not scratched then again later on and would you believe it scratched she had all the dates and documents.  Patti where are you.  Perhaps one of the others on the forum can remember better than me.

[Jan]

Hello jansus  Jeremy volunteered this information to EP that he could lift the catch from outside open window then when leaving shut window and catch fell into place. Patti put up a super post but we need her back about the lock on the window was tested after the murders and not scratched then again later on and would you believe it scratched she had all the dates and documents.  Patti where are you.  Perhaps one of the others on the forum can remember better than me.

so he volunteered information that incriminated him. If that window did not operate in that way he would have been proven innocent as it would have to have been someone still in the house.

[bigdaveglasgow75]

bit quiete tonight jansus.

[Jan]

bit quiete tonight jansus.

they might wake up later

I was not expecting many answers anyway - my brain sometimes goes into overdrive and I just have to write things down. I am sure that JB has thoroughly investigated every bit of evidence he has seen - although it is obvious he has not seen everything that is out there. And I am sure his legal team will have tried the human rights angle to get at that evidence under the PII.

There are people out there who know the truth who could  with just a couple of words get him out  I am sure . I just wish they would come forward. Or someone who knows there is a piece of evidence and exactly where it is held.I am sure it is out there somewhere.

[Jane]

they might wake up later

I was not expecting many answers anyway - my brain sometimes goes into overdrive and I just have to write things down. I am sure that JB has thoroughly investigated every bit of evidence he has seen - although it is obvious he has not seen everything that is out there. And I am sure his legal team will have tried the human rights angle to get at that evidence under the PII.

There are people out there who know the truth who could  with just a couple of words get him out  I am sure . I just wish they would come forward. Or someone who knows there is a piece of evidence and exactly where it is held.I am sure it is out there somewhere.

Sadly Jansus, those out there who know what and where that evidence might be, and like you, I feel certain it's there, are one very secure step ahead of those of us who DON'T know where it is and they can probably take further steps to make certain it never sees the light of day.

[maggie]

Hello jansus  Jeremy volunteered this information to EP that he could lift the catch from outside open window then when leaving shut window and catch fell into place. Patti put up a super post but we need her back about the lock on the window was tested after the murders and not scratched then again later on and would you believe it scratched she had all the dates and documents.  Patti where are you.  Perhaps one of the others on the forum can remember better than me.

Hi susie I remember all Patti's info she went into great detail. As usual there was question marks over dates and EPs strange behaviour. PATTI!!! WE NEED YOU!!!! Xxx

[Jan]

Hi susie I remember all Patties info she went into great detail. As usual there was question marks over dates and EPs strange behaviour. PATTIE!!! WE NEED YOU!!!! Xxx

I guess that the police just used the assumption that because he could get out of that window that was what happened?

Otherwise they would have been a bit stuck wouldn't they.

[Jan]

found the thread - will have a read.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,2971.msg160717.html#msg160717