Motive for murders - Jeremy versus the relatives...

[mike tesko]

Ann Eaton wrote in her diary that her husband Peter returned the gun to the scene (whf) on evening of 9th August 1985 - now, what does she mean by referring to the "gun" - was she referring to a rifle, or to a gun silencer?

Did Peter Eaton return a blood / paint contaminated silencer back to the farm house on evening of 9th August 1985, and is this the true reason why police did not find it in the cupboard in the downstairs office on 7th August 1985?

[grahameb]

Did Peter Eaton return a blood / paint contaminated silencer back to the farm house on evening of 9th August 1985, and is this the true reason why police did not find it in the cupboard in the downstairs office on 7th August 1985?

I'm confused Mike. Didn't Ann Eaton say that when her and her brother when they went to the farm the day they found the silencer that they were surprised at the fact that all the guns were still there as they thought the police would have collected them? Well was that on the 10th of August 1985?
Have I got the dates wrong? Because if Peter Eaton went to the farm to return a gun, then they should have known that all the guns were still there? I'm confused Mike.

[grahameb]

I'm confused Mike. Didn't Ann Eaton say that when her and her brother when they went to the farm the day they found the silencer that they were surprised at the fact that all the guns were still there as they thought the police would have collected them? Well was that on the 10th of August 1985?
Have I got the dates wrong? Because if Peter Eaton went to the farm to return a gun, then they should have known that all the guns were still there? I'm confused Mike.

Any ideas Mike?

[mike tesko]

Any ideas Mike?

Hi Grahame,

Ann Eaton made notes in her diary entries which were recorded on pieces of white card - on 9th August 1985, she wrote down that Peter went to whf and put the gun back. Then, on the following day (10th August 1985) when the gang of relatives turned up at the farmhouse, they appeared to be surprised that police had not taken all the guns away as part of their investigation, which is something of a contradiction created by them, since if the police are showing Ann Eaton, and Peter Eaton around the farmhouse on the evening of 9th August 1985, then they should have been aware of all the guns still being there on the evening before their dramatic search carried out on the 10th...

I don't think the relatives have been totally honest in so far as the guns and accessories which were present at the scene, or absent, at the time of the shootings, or afterwards between when police gave them the keys back to the farmhouse on the evening of 9th August 1985, and 10th August 1985, when David Boutflour recovered one of the two silencers taken from the scene...

It remains possible that what Peter Eaton took back to the scene on that occasion, was not a gun, but the guns silencer, which would then be in position for David Boutflour to find on the following day...

[grahameb]

Hi Grahame,

Ann Eaton made notes in her diary entries which were recorded on pieces of white card - on 9th August 1985, she wrote down that Peter went to whf and put the gun back. Then, on the following day (10th August 1985) when the gang of relatives turned up at the farmhouse, they appeared to be surprised that police had not taken all the guns away as part of their investigation, which is something of a contradiction created by them, since if the police are showing Ann Eaton, and Peter Eaton around the farmhouse on the evening of 9th August 1985, then they should have been aware of all the guns still being there on the evening before their dramatic search carried out on the 10th...

I don't think the relatives have been totally honest in so far as the guns and accessories which were present at the scene, or absent, at the time of the shootings, or afterwards between when police gave them the keys back to the farmhouse on the evening of 9th August 1985, and 10th August 1985, when David Boutflour recovered one of the two silencers taken from the scene...

It remains possible that what Peter Eaton took back to the scene on that occasion, was not a gun, but the guns silencer, which would then be in position for David Boutflour to find on the following day...

Thanks Mike. There certainly are some pertinent questions that require an answer. (1) If Peter Eaton took back a gun and must have known that the guns were still there from the day of the murders. Why were David Boutflour and Ann Eaton "surprised" that all the guns were still there. (2) This also prompts the question, why did Peter Eaton feel it necessary to take a gun back to WHF? And (3) Did he return ONLY a gun to WHF? Police searched the house and apparently the gun cupboard (that is of course an assumption) and did not find any silencer. (a) would they think that the silencer was significant? (b) The relatives obviously thought it was significant?
So we are left with only the word of the relatives that Peter Eaton took only a gun back to WHF. Do we know what kind of gun it was and what was it doing at the Eatons in the first place if it was the property of WHF?

[mike tesko]

Thanks Mike. There certainly are some pertinent questions that require an answer. (1) If Peter Eaton took back a gun and must have known that the guns were still there from the day of the murders. Why were David Boutflour and Ann Eaton "surprised" that all the guns were still there. (2) This also prompts the question, why did Peter Eaton feel it necessary to take a gun back to WHF? And (3) Did he return ONLY a gun to WHF? Police searched the house and apparently the gun cupboard (that is of course an assumption) and did not find any silencer. (a) would they think that the silencer was significant? (b) The relatives obviously thought it was significant?
So we are left with only the word of the relatives that Peter Eaton took only a gun back to WHF. Do we know what kind of gun it was and what was it doing at the Eatons in the first place if it was the property of WHF?

Hi Grahame,

I have approached this dilemma from various angles of thought - what is meant by the reference to Peter returning a gun, was it a gun, or a guns silencer, and did he really return the gun or whatever it was to the farmhouse, or as the case may be, did Peter Eaton actually remove a gun from the scene and return it home with him on that date...

After careful consideration of all the now known facts, I think the truth of the matter, is that Peter Eaton removed a shotgun from the scene on the evening of 9th August 1985, and that the gun in question is shown in the following police photograph taken by PC Bird at the scene on the 7th August 1985:-

[Caroline]

Hi Mike, did you ever find Peter Eaton's early statement in which he is meant to have mentioned that he had seen Sheila fire a gun?

[lookout]

Caroline,,apparently on that statement where PE said he'd seen Sheila fire a gun,,,was a big NO written as an " afterthought ". Everyone had changed tack on their statements !
It's on one of those " youknowwhokilledyou " sites referring to Peter Eaton.

[mike tesko]

Peter Eaton took away a shotgun from the scene after police handed the keys to whf over to the relatives, he took it home and cleaned it, before returning it to the scene, on the same night...

[Roch]

Caroline,,apparently on that statement where PE said he'd seen Sheila fire a gun,,,was a big NO written as an " afterthought ". Everyone had changed tack on their statements !
It's on one of those " youknowwhokilledyou " sites referring to Peter Eaton.

It was on bambertwitpics also

[mike tesko]

I now know the truth about the shotgun taken back to the scene by Peter Eaton on evening 9th August...

[lookout]

It was on bambertwitpics also

Oh right,Roch.

[mike tesko]

I now know the truth about the shotgun taken back to the scene by Peter Eaton on evening 9th August...

Ann Eaton noticed the shotgun leaning against the hallway wall, when police were showing her around the house when police gave the keys back to the relatives. The shotgun was taken because the Eatons felt it shouldn't have been left laying around carelessly. But later that evening Peter Eaton returned it back to the farmhouse...

[grahameb]

Ann Eaton noticed the shotgun leaning against the hallway wall, when police were showing her around the house when police gave the keys back to the relatives. The shotgun was taken because the Eatons felt it shouldn't have been left laying around carelessly. But later that evening Peter Eaton returned it back to the farmhouse...

Then the very next day they were surprised to see that all the guns were still there.

[mike tesko]

Then the very next day they were surprised to see that all the guns were still there.

Well, the thing is that on evening of 9th August, police only did a quick walk through of the farmhouse pointing out to Ann Eaton what had happened in each room of the farmhouse. Thus she must have been told what had happened in the kitchen, main bedroom and the childrens bedroom. I believe that this may have been the second occasion that police informed Ann Eaton that Sheila's body had been found on the bed. Indeed, by this stage in any event, several tabloids had already carried accounts of her body being found on the bed, either on her own, or with the body of June Bamber alongside, either with the gun between them on the bed, or the gun on her chest and a bible on Sheila's chest or beside her on the bed...

One other thing worth mentioning at this piont is that Ann Eaton and the other relatives were under a mistaken belief that each of the victims had died of a solitary shot to the head. It was under these circumstances that the shotgun was removed from the scene and taken home with Ann Eaton on that occasion - she did not see nor was she told or shown any other firearm or firearm accessory that evening by police or any body else for that matter...