A Killer Will Always Leave Something.

[Patti]

The police will tell you this.  There is no such thing as a perfect crime, never has been and there never will be. 

Even 20 or 30 years further on a killer can still be caught with new modern science. 

It is paramount to any investigation that the crime scene is examined. WHF had been forensically examined 3 times over a period 2 months. What did they find forensically?  Nothing, to link Jeremy to the murders.

Inevitably, an untrained killer will leave some evidence. 

Fingerprints
Shoe Prints
Hair
Fibres
Witnesses

At least something that places the person that is under suspicion at the crime scene.  Luminol is a chemical substance that shows blood in the dark.  No matter how blood had been cleaned up Luminol will show it up, not even bleach can shift blood. 

If you look at the kitchen floor alone, there appears to be no footprints on it. Yet from the amount of blood in the house, you would think a print would have been there and on the carpets.  Luminol can show where a killer walked, it can show where a person entered a room more than once. Luminol will show up blood that can't be seen by the naked eye. It can show the size of foot/shoe print. 30 years on this method could still be used on floors, windows and even the silencer.

The lack of fingerprints on the rifle or none identified prints nearly 30 years can still be processed by the use of reversing the fingerprint.  This is mainly done when a finger has touched a different surface then touched the rifle again.  What happens is that the blood is taken from the prominent part of the ridges and if a print is reversed it can match up....

These are just two of the ways modern science can make a difference to a case, apart from DNA.

But, the destruction of evidence before the breakthrough of modern science has made some techniques impossible....

Anybody with me on this?  Adam??? lol

[No-Bits]

Rubbish. 

[No-Bits]

How far back do you want to go?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unsolved_murders_in_the_United_Kingdom

[Patti]

Rubbish. 

Nope!!!!!! Its not. 

[nugnug]

its very true every contact leaves a trace.

[lookout]

Hi Patti,,I read somewhere that a flourescine test was done regarding the drains,to discount anyone washing blood from themselves. * It was carried out at WHF,,not sure about Goldhanger.
There was obviously nothing unusual from the report,or we'd have heard about it,,particularly where Jeremy's concerned.
* Because no result was published from the water test we can take it that Sheila didn't wash her hands before eating,,so it would appear that she ate before she carried out the killings ?

[Patti]

Rubbish. 

Take this typical crime scene....Two images.

[Patti]

its very true every contact leaves a trace.

Hi Nugs

Taps, sinks, windows, car almost everywhere.....Why was this not done? It was about. Me thinks. 

[No-Bits]

Hi Patti,,I read somewhere that a flourescine test was done regarding the drains,to discount anyone washing blood from themselves. * It was carried out at WHF,,not sure about Goldhanger.
There was obviously nothing unusual from the report,or we'd have heard about it,,particularly where Jeremy's concerned.
* Because no result was published from the water test we can take it that Sheila didn't wash her hands before eating,,so it would appear that she ate before she carried out the killings ?

I don't believe this is true.

[Patti]

Hi Patti,,I read somewhere that a flourescine test was done regarding the drains,to discount anyone washing blood from themselves. * It was carried out at WHF,,not sure about Goldhanger.
There was obviously nothing unusual from the report,or we'd have heard about it,,particularly where Jeremy's concerned.
* Because no result was published from the water test we can take it that Sheila didn't wash her hands before eating,,so it would appear that she ate before she carried out the killings ?

Hi Lookout

Its a chemical that is sprayed in the dark and only lasts for about 30 seconds, but the results can be captured on camera.  I've never read that this was done at WHF...... Happy New Year to you btw xxxx

[nugnug]

maybe it was done but dident get them the result they wanted.

[No-Bits]

How far back do you want to go?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unsolved_murders_in_the_United_Kingdom

The problem at WHF was the initial poor investigation prior to Jeremy becoming a suspect, the list above shows a whole multitude of murders where the crime scene did not produce evidence in the manner you suggest Patti.

A daft claim dear. 

[Patti]

The problem at WHF was the initial poor investigation prior to Jeremy becoming a suspect, the list above shows a whole multitude of murders where the crime scene did not produce evidence in the manner you suggest Patti.

A daft claim dear. 

Claim dear? Me not saying that.  I am merely saying that the use of a substance like Luminol could have been used and that there is a possibility that it can still be used.  Blood soaks through onto the floor boards and luminol would be able to track down places were blood stained in WHF. Its not fantasy my dear Hartley its possible...that the floor boards are still in place.....I doubt there are carpets. But anything that was there can still be analysed.  Even the tyre tracks lol 

[Adam]

Jeremy left a lot behind.

[nugnug]

it may of been used we dont know.