An alibi from Neville is better than no alibi at all :

[Adam]

Jeremy leaving the bodies to be found would still be a suspect. Especially with Neville having put up a fight.

Sheila would have been the main suspect. But the relatives would still not believe it & there was only one other person who had a motive to kill those five people. Other people have agreed today no one would believe a random stranger massacre or that the person who found the bodies (Barbara Wilson ?) committed the crime. Although Jeremy if under pressure may suggest the random stranger scenario.

Jeremy may have been interviewed straight away by the police & been a suspect much sooner. Especially if he showed indifference to the deaths by partying, as he did. He would have no alibi.



So it makes sense for Jeremy to phone the police & lead them in a direction on the back of Nevilles call. Giving himself an alibi at the same time which cannot be disproven. The police did not know Jeremy and  would surely never believe Jeremy would commit such a horrific crime on his family. He was not known as a even a criminal, let alone a psychopath.

It also makes sense to phone Chelmsford police station, which was seven miles further away from WHF than Witham. Jeremy said he did not phone 999 because it 'did not occur to him' although dialling 999 is quicker than looking for a phone number & will result in a quicker response time.

The longer the delay between his 3.26am phone call & the discovery of the bodies, the more it gets into everyones mind sets that there really is a crazy woman with a gun still alive inside. Jeremy could spend several hours continuing to enlighten everyone about his 'nutter' sister & Nevilles phone call /alibi.

The Raid Team would automatically be called in a seige situation. Delaying things by several more hours. Jeremys Neville phone alibi is becoming more plausible by the minute. He 'should have been an actor'.

Having the police pick Jeremy up would have been even better still. It would have shown him as having just got dressed & rushing into their car. Giving the impression he had been at home all night & woken up by Nevilles call.  It is also another alibi, showing Jeremy did not phone from WHF. However the police refused Jeremys request & told him to make his own way. Jeremy did the next best thing & arrived after the police. Driving very slowly.

So the phone call to the police meant Jeremy could work with & assist the police. Use his charm to become their buddies. Give them his version of events & look upset when the bodies are discovered. By 9am that morning & for the next few weeks, Neville's alibi had worked.

Jeremys supporters say 'why phone the police if you are not innocent'? Another equally good question is 'why not phone the police if guilty ' ?

[susan]

Morning Adam

you are doing exactly what I try to avoid making up theories based on supposition and hearsay.  Everything you have posted in this post is your take on it and you seem to be adamant that you are so right and others who disagree with you are biased.  Had Jeremy murdred his family what difference would it have made Jeremy slow timing the police arrival on scene he would know they were all dead  and I just cannot grasp the point you are trying to make. Had Jeremy gone home to bed and waited like I have previously stated he would have been less of a suspect than he was what evidence would have linked him to the crime especially if he had not broken up with Julie and he would have had to hang onto the keys to WHF

[Adam]

My point is phoning the police was the best move if Jeremy was guilty.

So the Jeremy is innocent because otherwise he would not have called the police claim, does not carry much weight.

Just my opinion of course.

[Jan]

in my opinion that's rubbish. If he had not made the call then the bodies would not have been found until later and then the time of death would have been hard to establish ( not that they got it right anyway)  Also in your scenario the house when they got there would have been absolutely quiet and no movement - so there was NO way he would not assume that the police would not already arranged back up because of the information he gave them and go straight in to try and save the children -after all they would have had NO way of knowing they were already dead.Just you trying to get everything to fit your evaluation AGAIN.

[Adam]

in my opinion that's rubbish. If he had not made the call then the bodies would not have been found until later and then the time of death would have been hard to establish ( not that they got it right anyway)  Also in your scenario the house when they got there would have been absolutely quiet and no movement - so there was NO way he would not assume that the police would not already arranged back up because of the information he gave them and go straight in to try and save the children -after all they would have had NO way of knowing they were already dead.Just you trying to get everything to fit your evaluation AGAIN.

Time of death could have been anything  from 10pm the night before to when the bodies were found. Jeremy would not have an alibi for that period. Unless he had started work at 6am. Making sure he did not go too near WHF.

[Adam]

in my opinion that's rubbish. If he had not made the call then the bodies would not have been found until later and then the time of death would have been hard to establish ( not that they got it right anyway)  Also in your scenario the house when they got there would have been absolutely quiet and no movement - so there was NO way he would not assume that the police would not already arranged back up because of the information he gave them and go straight in to try and save the children -after all they would have had NO way of knowing they were already dead.Just you trying to get everything to fit your evaluation AGAIN.

The raid team were several hours away. There were not many murders in that area !

[Jane]

Time of death could have been anything  from 10pm the night before to when the bodies were found. Jeremy would not have an alibi for that period. Unless he had started work at 6am. Making sure he did not go too near WHF.

 That being so,explain LACK of RM in Sheila.

[lookout]

It would have been the farm-hands who would probably have discovered the carnage,,as they seemed to be the first arrivals for work. Although the farmhouse would have been silent,the workers would have raised the alarm that nobody was answering the door. Work started early at harvest-time.

[maggie]

The raid team were several hours away. There were not many murders in that area !

No they weren't.

[lookout]

Now I've begun to wonder if Sheila realised that the farm workers would have arrived early,,because Jeremy would have known that,,so would he have taken any chances of slaughtering his family knowing that the first worker could have arrived there at 5am ? I think not.

[Adam]

If Jeremy was due to start work early the following morning, when the bodies are found, Jeremy is only a few hundred yards away.

It is better to make the 3.26 call.

[Jane]

Now I've begun to wonder if Sheila realised that the farm workers would have arrived early,,because Jeremy would have known that,,so would he have taken any chances of slaughtering his family knowing that the first worker could have arrived there at 5am ? I think not.

But can Sheila be psychotic AND capable of rationale?

[Adam]

Now I've begun to wonder if Sheila realised that the farm workers would have arrived early,,because Jeremy would have known that,,so would he have taken any chances of slaughtering his family knowing that the first worker could have arrived there at 5am ? I think not.

My scenario (which matches the body location & bullet allocation) would have only taken Jeremy 10 minutes inside WHF.

He did the crime  at the latest 2.30pm as he rang Mugford around 3pm.

[Jane]

My scenario (which matches the body location & bullet allocation) would have only taken Jeremy 10 minutes inside WHF.

He did the crime  at the latest 2.30pm as he rang Mugford around 3pm.

That's because scenario's are fantasies and don't allow for potential problems such as people not acting as they're supposed to and unexpected emotions getting in the way.

[maggie]

But can Sheila be psychotic AND capable of rationale?

I don't believe so April/Lookout. Don't believe the crime was in any way premeditated by Sheila. Sheila was ill imo