Was Ralph Bamber tied up , at any stage before shootings commenced?

[nugnug]

it makes no sense.

weather you think jeremy or shiela did it it still makes no sense.

[lookout]

He was related to grannie Speakman,wasn't he.? ( family ! )

[Jan]

it makes no sense.

weather you think jeremy or shiela did it it still makes no sense.

I agree - why would they hide this evidence as it could in theory point to JBs guilt ? unless the gun and cable had forensics pointing to Sheila ( which they would ) and then of course they would want to supress that fact?

[Jane]

I agree - why would they hide this evidence as it could in theory point to JBs guilt ? unless the gun and cable had forensics pointing to Sheila ( which they would ) and then of course they would want to supress that fact?

Why would he be tied up then untied?

[nugnug]

yes you would thiink he would be much easior to shoot tied up.

[Jan]

Why would he be tied up then untied?

but then again we are trying to apply logic to  situation , that if it was SB having a breakdown so to speak, there would be no logic.

[Jane]

but then again we are trying to apply logic to  situation , that if it was SB having a breakdown so to speak, there would be no logic.

Just how long would it have taken her to do it and where would she have put the gun?

[maggie]

Just how long would it have taken her to do it and where would she have put the gun?

Hi April, I am finding this new info surprising 

[Jane]

Hi April, I am finding this new info surprising 

Yes Maggie, I'm very much with you in that

[Alias]

If Neville was tied up at any point, that, in my opinion, does not correspond too well with a psychotic episode and instead points to Jeremy as the killer.

[nugnug]

exept that the police are hardly likely to suppress evedence wich would prove them right.

[Caroline R]

exept that the police are hardly likely to suppress evedence wich would prove them right.

I agree Nugs, if there was evidence that Neville was tied up, it would have been used to convict Jeremy and there would have been a full house as far as the jury were concerned!! If there were pictures, they wouldn't have been surpressed.

[Caroline R]

Hi Alias,

I don't think it would have been too difficult for Sheila to have tied or tethered Ralph up, in view of the fact that Ralph very often fell asleep in his offices, and on the sofa in the lounge. He could have been sound asleep when Sheila tied him up, or alternatively, she could have struck him with use of the rifle rendering him temporarily, unconscious, thus creating sufficiently  enough time  so that she could tie him up at will...

It certainly would rule out a psychotic episode and I don't think Sheila was a calculated killer.

[Caroline R]

If Neville was tied up at any point, that, in my opinion, does not correspond too well with a psychotic episode and instead points to Jeremy as the killer.

I agree Alias and I don't buy it.

[mike tesko]

Study the known facts...

What did Ralph do to prevent the children from being killed? He did little if anything, he had neither time nor opportunity to prevent any one of the eight bullets connected with the deaths of Daniel and Nicholas occurring - this suggests that Ralph was probably not present upstairs  when the killer shot and killed them both So, where was he whilst his grand children were being unlawfully killed"

Similarly, his wife Junes death was a slow lingering death, she was shot no less than five times non fatally, whilst she lay sleeping in her bed. She managed to drag herself out of bed and moved around inside the bedroom, yet still Ralph did not come to rescue  her, something had happened to Ralph which prevented two additional shots to the head, putting here out of her misery...