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Offline Jan

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Its quite easy in some respects to try and make a scenario try and fit what happened  except some illogical argument always crops up - for example I wondered if Sheila had some drug dealing friend in the house and a row had ensued and everything got out of hand and went horribly wrong - but then she would have fought to protect her children. Also I still can not believe 1) JB would have left the silencer ( if it had been involved) in a box in the house 2) and or told his girlfriend what he had done . However the one scenario that does fit totally is murder suicide by  a poor girl that had not really been treated for her illness properly. Which strangely is what JB and the police believed in the beginning. The only problems with this scenario to me appear to be when people try and apply logic to her actions which because she was so ill can not be applied. I do believe JB is innocent .

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Unless it could be PROVED that they conspired to have him locked up, then why would they have to give up anything? I'm not a fan of the relatives but I don't think we can simply make those kind of accusations with nothing to substantiate them. There is nothing to suggest that DB had anything to do with the murders and we need to be careful in what we might suggest. Another reason why I HATE scenarios!!

I can see them having to vacate property and give back land that would not rightfully be theirs and I could see JB getting compensation - but other than that I can see JB not wanting to waste the rest of his life on legal battles - I think that genuinely the family may have thought he did it in the beginning as they were the ones who pressurised the police. So It would be difficult to prove they conspired to put him in jail. It would probably take another 27 years to unravel all the connotations of his legal position when he is released >:(

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With the wealth of factual information available on this forum, there really is no need for scenario's facts are far more interesting!!

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I can see them having to vacate property and give back land that would not rightfully be theirs and I could see JB getting compensation - but other than that I can see JB not wanting to waste the rest of his life on legal battles - I think that genuinely the family may have thought he did it in the beginning as they were the ones who pressurised the police. So It would be difficult to prove they conspired to put him in jail. It would probably take another 27 years to unravel all the connotations of his legal position when he is released >:(

And then some! WHEN he gets out, he won't need anything from the relatives - and if there was a conspiracy, those involved have to live with it.

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And then some! WHEN he gets out, he won't need anything from the relatives - and if there was a conspiracy, those involved have to live with it.
I doubt he will bother with the rellies, should think he will just want peace. 8) 8)

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I doubt he will bother with the rellies, should think he will just want peace. 8) 8)




If he's got any sense,,he'll keep his distance from that lot.

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Its quite easy in some respects to try and make a scenario try and fit what happened  except some illogical argument always crops up - for example I wondered if Sheila had some drug dealing friend in the house and a row had ensued and everything got out of hand and went horribly wrong - but then she would have fought to protect her children. Also I still can not believe 1) JB would have left the silencer ( if it had been involved) in a box in the house 2) and or told his girlfriend what he had done . However the one scenario that does fit totally is murder suicide by  a poor girl that had not really been treated for her illness properly. Which strangely is what JB and the police believed in the beginning. The only problems with this scenario to me appear to be when people try and apply logic to her actions which because she was so ill can not be applied. I do believe JB is innocent .
Jeremy Bamber put his nail in his own coffin when he concocted the telephone call in the middle of the night from Nevill,who purportedly named Sheila as the person who had gained possession of one of his guns and was running amok. If you believe this story then you will deem Sheila as guilty in the legal sense but evidently not in a moral sense,as had she been apprehended after the slayings she would have ended up in Broadmoor for the rest of her days.

I'm afraid it's all too clear to me that the telephone call is a figment of Jeremy's imagination(some might say it was his worst mistake that morning among others)to grant himself an alibi with Police after cycling the short distance back to his Goldhanger cottage,which PC Wilkinson managed in six minutes on his run. The mystery in this case to my mind is not who the perpetrator is,but why Jeremy felt trapped in a situation whereby his only egress was through mass murder.There was no third person whom Jeremy could trust enough to execute the murders with him,though admittedly had Julie come down heavier on him during their hypothetical discussions he may have taken the hint and refrained from such a grisly course.

One is left with the conclusion that Jeremy had been harbouring a grudge for many years,that sense of thwarted ambition where Jeremy saw himself as leader of the pack instead of the hired hand,an experience which Nevill insisted he endure,though even here Jeremy was aware that there were trustees to convince before he gained the ultimate prize. As Jeremy moves the directional pad on his Gameboy,granting him the odd light relief in his prison cell he must regret the telephone call move,even if it seemed at that time a foolproof crime telephoning his answerphone,yet his gadgetry relieves the monotony of the protracted days as one merges into another amid those pervasive, frozen authority figures which to Jeremy's mind always were threatening, indecipherable and ultimately expendable.
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Jeremy Bamber put his nail in his own coffin when he concocted the telephone call in the middle of the night from Nevill,who purportedly named Sheila as the person who had gained possession of one of his guns and was running amok. If you believe this story then you will deem Sheila as guilty in the legal sense but evidently not in a moral sense,as had she been apprehended after the slayings she would have ended up in Broadmoor for the rest of her days.

I'm afraid it's all too clear to me that the telephone call is a figment of Jeremy's imagination(some might say it was his worst mistake that morning among others)to grant himself an alibi with Police after cycling the short distance back to his Goldhanger cottage,which PC Wilkinson managed in six minutes on his run. The mystery in this case to my mind is not who the perpetrator is,but why Jeremy felt trapped in a situation whereby his only egress was through mass murder.There was no third person whom Jeremy could trust enough to execute the murders with him,though admittedly had Julie come down heavier on him during their hypothetical discussions he may have taken the hint and refrained from such a grisly course.

One is left with the conclusion that Jeremy had been harbouring a grudge for many years,that sense of thwarted ambition where Jeremy saw himself as leader of the pack instead of the hired hand,an experience which Nevill insisted he endure,though even here Jeremy was aware that there were trustees to convince before he gained the ultimate prize. As Jeremy moves the directional pad on his Gameboy,granting him the odd light relief in his prison cell he must regret the telephone call move,even if it seemed at that time a foolproof crime telephoning his answerphone,yet his gadgetry relieves the monotony of the protracted days as one merges into another amid those pervasive, frozen authority figures which to Jeremy's mind always were threatening, indecipherable and ultimately expendable.
Except that it most probably is true? Since there is no earthly reason that he should put himself under the spotlight by concocting such a story?

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Jeremy Bamber put his nail in his own coffin when he concocted the telephone call in the middle of the night from Nevill,who purportedly named Sheila as the person who had gained possession of one of his guns and was running amok. If you believe this story then you will deem Sheila as guilty in the legal sense but evidently not in a moral sense,as had she been apprehended after the slayings she would have ended up in Broadmoor for the rest of her days.

I'm afraid it's all too clear to me that the telephone call is a figment of Jeremy's imagination(some might say it was his worst mistake that morning among others)to grant himself an alibi with Police after cycling the short distance back to his Goldhanger cottage,which PC Wilkinson managed in six minutes on his run. The mystery in this case to my mind is not who the perpetrator is,but why Jeremy felt trapped in a situation whereby his only egress was through mass murder.There was no third person whom Jeremy could trust enough to execute the murders with him,though admittedly had Julie come down heavier on him during their hypothetical discussions he may have taken the hint and refrained from such a grisly course.

One is left with the conclusion that Jeremy had been harbouring a grudge for many years,that sense of thwarted ambition where Jeremy saw himself as leader of the pack instead of the hired hand,an experience which Nevill insisted he endure,though even here Jeremy was aware that there were trustees to convince before he gained the ultimate prize. As Jeremy moves the directional pad on his Gameboy,granting him the odd light relief in his prison cell he must regret the telephone call move,even if it seemed at that time a foolproof crime telephoning his answerphone,yet his gadgetry relieves the monotony of the protracted days as one merges into another amid those pervasive, frozen authority figures which to Jeremy's mind always were threatening, indecipherable and ultimately expendable.



Dear Steve, if I may for a moment paraphrase those wonderful words of St Francis, and echoed with SUCH emotion by a certain Margaret Thatcher, when applied to yourself they would read "Where there is clarity, may we bring distortion" :)

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Except that it most probably is true? Since there is no earthly reason that he should put himself under the spotlight by concocting such a story?
Yet Jeremy still wants to get one up on authority,he still wants to be the centre of attention in a world where heretofore he had received very little.Was his promiscuity a natural phenomenon,a reaction to June's prudish mores,or a desperate pathetic attempt to gain affection therefrom as the kisses and cuddles proved he was loved and a normal teenager in every sense.Yet Jeremy was only somebody because of his monied parents,whose yoke was becoming ever looser as the years progressed,which in one sense brought more freedom,yet in another heralded disaster as the parents' largesse evanesced as June no longer put her name to cheques and Nevill wrote off the holiday loan. In the process they both signed their own death warrant as Jeremy had no further use for them,the tragedy being that until that point they had co-existed symbiotically,their deaths meaning that Jeremy returned to being the mere cipher he had always been.

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Yet Jeremy still wants to get one up on authority,he still wants to be the centre of attention in a world where heretofore he had received very little.Was his promiscuity a natural phenomenon,a reaction to June's prudish mores,or a desperate pathetic attempt to gain affection therefrom as the kisses and cuddles proved he was loved and a normal teenager in every sense.Yet Jeremy was only somebody because of his monied parents,whose yoke was becoming ever looser as the years progressed,which in one sense brought more freedom,yet in another heralded disaster as the parents' largesse evanesced as June no longer put her name to cheques and Nevill wrote off the holiday loan. In the process they both signed their own death warrant as Jeremy had no further use for them,the tragedy being that until that point they had co-existed symbiotically,their deaths meaning that Jeremy returned to being the mere cipher he had always been.





No,Steve,,what annoyed the police was that Jeremy was more intelligent than they were,so it wasn't a case of him getting one over on them,,as inside,he was probably laughing at them,,but sadly his confidence gave way to conviction. It's blatantly obvious that the case itself was built purely and simply on a personality clash with just about everyone. An utter disgrace that because Jeremy was an arrogant young man,he was jailed just for that reason,,because there was no other.

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Yet Jeremy still wants to get one up on authority,he still wants to be the centre of attention in a world where heretofore he had received very little.Was his promiscuity a natural phenomenon,a reaction to June's prudish mores,or a desperate pathetic attempt to gain affection therefrom as the kisses and cuddles proved he was loved and a normal teenager in every sense.Yet Jeremy was only somebody because of his monied parents,whose yoke was becoming ever looser as the years progressed,which in one sense brought more freedom,yet in another heralded disaster as the parents' largesse evanesced as June no longer put her name to cheques and Nevill wrote off the holiday loan. In the process they both signed their own death warrant as Jeremy had no further use for them,the tragedy being that until that point they had co-existed symbiotically,their deaths meaning that Jeremy returned to being the mere cipher he had always been.
Even if what you say was true. Which I doubt very much? It still is no answer to my question. For as you quite rightly pointed out, It would have been the nail in his coffin to do so. But if Jeremy was at all as clever as he is so often claimed to have been, then he would have seen what a silly thing it would have been to do such a thing. So what would you have us believe. A clever Jereny? A foolish Jeremy? Or an honest Jeremy who could not have dreamed of the fact that he would be stitched up for owning that which was indeed true?

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Even if what you say was true. Which I doubt very much? It still is no answer to my question. For as you quite rightly pointed out, It would have been the nail in his coffin to do so. But if Jeremy was at all as clever as he is so often claimed to have been, then he would have seen what a silly thing it would have been to do such a thing. So what would you have us believe. A clever Jereny? A foolish Jeremy? Or an honest Jeremy who could not have dreamed of the fact that he would be stitched up for owning that which was indeed true?

agree - and in amongst all this we forget how young he was .

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David Boutflour found the silencer but there is really no possibility of him being an accomplice to Jeremy!

Bit strange what Pargeter says in his statement though... about DB and the police returning a silencer to DB.

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Bit strange what Pargeter says in his statement though... about DB and the police returning a silencer to DB.

Yes but I think that's just because they hadn't got their stories straight re the silencer at that point!!