The 3 o'clock phone calls & what Mugford knew.

[Adam]

Well it is accepted by everyone that Bamber phoned Mugford at around 3am. Bamber, when interviewed was very unsure whether he phoned Mugford before or after the police. The judge was amazed he phoned at all.

[HMEssex]

Two timing you're girlfriend. That's one way to grieve !

Jeremy took a risk, dumping her so soon afterwards. Even if he had not told her anything, people were suspicious. Would have been better to keep her onside. In relationships people do get carried away, throw things etc. Young love, eh.

Most don't try and suffocate their partners, though.  After that no wonder he wanted to break up!

[lookout]

Most don't try and suffocate their partners, though.  After that no wonder he wanted to break up!

HME,,I wouldn't mind betting that that incident scared him. Maybe he wondered just what she was capable of.

[nugnug]

well he knows now.

[HMEssex]

HME,,I wouldn't mind betting that that incident scared him. Maybe he wondered just what she was capable of.

Maybe we can add 'attempted murder' to her crime sheet 

Imagine if she had succeeded!

[Caroline R]

Well it is accepted by everyone that Bamber phoned Mugford at around 3am. Bamber, when interviewed was very unsure whether he phoned Mugford before or after the police. The judge was amazed he phoned at all.

There was no initial agreement about phone call timings and one of the flat mates even suggested the call was 03:30. No one gve the same time until (cough) Stan Jones intervened.

[lookout]

Maybe we can add 'attempted murder' to her crime sheet 

Imagine if she had succeeded!

Well she certainly meant business judging by Jeremys' end result.

[mike tesko]

Susan Battersby said the phone rang at around 3.12am. Or even earlier as she had her phone 10 minutes fast so she could have a lay in. She has no reason to lie. This is a long time before the other phone calls.

The police interview with Bamber in Wilkes book states that Mugford knew about the kitchen fight & bible. At the time this has not been reported in the media. If correct it can only mean
one thing.

Phone rang at about 3.30am, in her first account, and only changed to 3.12am, when DS 'Stan' Jones got involved...

[Adam]

I get the impression that she probably was more keen on him than he was on her . And their original statements tied up completely . I can not imagine that she would just have gone back to sleep if he told her what she claimed in her subsequent statements. Also I still do not believe that if he had been so clever . calculating and wicked as he was made out to be that he would tell anybody . Let alone a girlfriend that he would subsequently break up with. It just does not make sense to me . Also his "reported"  reactions afterwards are statements from the police who May have been complicit in his conviction. Originally on the night there were statements that he was very distressed. So I don't personally think you can draw any conclusions from that. Also we all forget he was only in his early 20s and in shock. And perhaps he did not even say half the things that are reported. It may have been part of a huge character  assassination  in order to secure a conviction. Which is why the original records that are held under PII  are so important.

Mugford would have been half asleep when answering the phone. She said that afterwards she started realising what may have gone on. If all Jeremy said was 'everything is going well ' she could not be sure what was happening. There is not much she can do from London.

There are conflicting reports of Jeremys immediate reaction. Appearing to be sick in a field & repeatedly saying to police 'you told me everything was going to be alright'. However he was well enough to say he didn't want the dog messing up his stereo equipment. Later that morning he cooked a full breakfast & said to the police 'right, lets get on with it. I'm ready to start when you are'.

[tyler]

EP advised JB to eat something. Toast and a couple of rashers of bacon is hardly a 'full' breakfast!

[grahameb]

EP advised JB to eat something. Toast and a couple of rashers of bacon is hardly a 'full' breakfast!

Very often after such a shock the mind puts up a defence of bravado. It appears that those idiot cops used this against Bamber by misinterpreting  his words. They were and still are very shallow numbnuts. I remember being the same when my mother lost my stepfather in the night and I had to put on an iron mask as my wife was in hospital with our second baby. So up went this protective facade and I took on a hardman stance. I distinctly remewmber saying several silly things at the time. Why don't people like those two very shallow thinking so call writers, whose insignificant names escape me just think a little deeper, instead of using Jeremy's words to blacken his character at every turn.

[Jane]

Mugford would have been half asleep when answering the phone. She said that afterwards she started realising what may have gone on. If all Jeremy said was 'everything is going well ' she could not be sure what was happening. There is not much she can do from London.

........................... Later that morning he cooked a full breakfast & said to the police 'right, lets get on with it. I'm ready to start when you are'.

You know Adam, I really can't begin to put into forum suitable words just HOW sick I am of hearing about the SUPPOSED full/hearty breakfast. I find myself wondering if he was ever up in time to eat anything other than a slice of toast and probably any left over bacon was what may have been a bacon butty lunch yet the implication is ALWAYS eggs, sausages, bacon, mushrooms, beans, black pudding followed by toast and marmalade.

[Roch]

Didn't Ann Eaton originally write down on one of her contemporaneous note cards that one of JM's flatmates had confirmed to JM that the call was at the later time, as per both JM and JB originally claimed?  AE then altered this time when giving a statement (about having witnessed JM check the time of the call with the said flat mate). 

Neither defence nor Jury ever saw AE's note card prior to or during trial.   

[Caroline R]

Mugford would have been half asleep when answering the phone. She said that afterwards she started realising what may have gone on. If all Jeremy said was 'everything is going well ' she could not be sure what was happening. There is not much she can do from London.

There are conflicting reports of Jeremys immediate reaction. Appearing to be sick in a field & repeatedly saying to police 'you told me everything was going to be alright'. However he was well enough to say he didn't want the dog messing up his stereo equipment. Later that morning he cooked a full breakfast & said to the police 'right, lets get on with it. I'm ready to start when you are'.

Are you getting these questions from Wilkes's book? Read Jeremy's statement and the all of the others in the archives - most of these questions can be answered there.

[grahameb]

Are you getting these questions from Wilkes's book? Read Jeremy's statement and the all of the others in the archives - most of these questions can be answered there.

Why these writers words are taken on face value never ceases to amaze me?