The 3 o'clock phone calls & what Mugford knew.

[Adam]

Susan Battersby said the phone rang at around 3.12am. Or even earlier as she had her phone 10 minutes fast so she could have a lay in. She has no reason to lie. This is a long time before the other phone calls.

The police interview with Bamber in Wilkes book states that Mugford knew about the kitchen fight & bible. At the time this has not been reported in the media. If correct it can only mean
one thing.

[lookout]

If JM knew as much as she professed to know,,why did she leap into bed with a " murderer " ? Would you ?

[Adam]

Don't want to sound glib but we all make mistakes.

She was a very young woman who had feelings for him. It seems she felt bad about what happened & was in turmoil. Eventually confessing to friends & then going to the police.

[maggie]

Don't want to sound glib but we all make mistakes.

She was a very young woman who had feelings for him. It seems she felt bad about what happened & was in turmoil. Eventually confessing to friends & then going to the police.

Well there are mistakes and then there are unbelievable disasters.  Do you really believe that any young woman, especially someone of JMs intelligence could turn a bind eye to such a crime even to the extent of sleeping with a murderer who killed Mother, Father, Sister and his two 6 year old nephews in cold blood?  Imo it defies belief.

[Adam]

Is Mugford especially intelligent ?

Who knows how a young woman would react in this sort of situation. Shock would be the first reaction. She would have been scared as well.

Was Mugford really jilted ? Or did she want to find a way out of the relationship so she could clear her head before deciding what to do ? 

[maggie]

Is Mugford especially intelligent ?

Who knows how a young woman would react in this sort of situation. Shock would be the first reaction. She would have been scared as well.

Was Mugford really jilted ? Or did she want to find a way out of the relationship so she could clear her head before deciding what to do ?

Um  I would tend to think anyone who had been a young woman may have a bit of an idea Adam  
As far as intelligence she was bright enough, she was training to be a teacher at Goldsmith's College which was recognised back at that time as the top Teacher's Training College in the Country so she can't have been a total bimbo.
The official story is that she stuck with Jeremy until he two timed her and finished the relationship, have never heard the slightest suggestion that she finished with Jeremy, she has admitted to trying to suffocate him and telling him if she can't have him neither can anyone else.  Well she certainly made sure of that.

[Adam]

Two timing you're girlfriend. That's one way to grieve !

Jeremy took a risk, dumping her so soon afterwards. Even if he had not told her anything, people were suspicious. Would have been better to keep her onside. In relationships people do get carried away, throw things etc. Young love, eh.

[maggie]

Two timing you're girlfriend. That's one way to grieve !

Jeremy took a risk, dumping her so soon afterwards. Even if he had not told her anything, people were suspicious. Would have been better to keep her onside. In relationships people do get carried away, throw things etc. Young love, eh.

It's not unusual for relationships to fall apart at a time of stress, Adam.  I get the impression Julie was possibly a bit of an attention seeker and instead of just being happy Jeremy had a good friend who seemed to be helping him cope she got jealous and resentful of Brett Collins.  I know she was very young and possibly didn't understand how men grieve etc. but she probably caused her own demise by her behaviour imo.

[nugnug]

what was actull reason for him dumping mugford i dont think etere of them explained.

[Adam]

I know there are spur of the moment relationships situations that go OTT. John Bobbit for one !

Does anyone know of any other cases where a former partner, woman or man has gone to similar lenghts to get someone sent to jail where it was proved that the person lied under oath ?

What is the punishment ?

[lookout]

what was actull reason for him dumping mugford i dont think etere of them explained.

Nugs,,I rather think it was when he found out about real women if you get my meaning. Or maybe the thought of marriage gave him cold feet,,after thinking about it.
I don't know that the real reason was ever given,,though he wasn't committed to JM so he wanted to play the field I suppose. He was only young,,and not ready to be tied down. 

[nugnug]

i wonder weather was really gay

[lookout]

i wonder weather was really gay

I wouldn't have thought so nugs,,even though his pal Brett was it didn't mean to say that Jeremy was too.. He probably respected that his pal was " different " at the time,,but Jeremy himself was much the womaniser.

[Jan]

I get the impression that she probably was more keen on him than he was on her . And their original statements tied up completely . I can not imagine that she would just have gone back to sleep if he told her what she claimed in her subsequent statements. Also I still do not believe that if he had been so clever . calculating and wicked as he was made out to be that he would tell anybody . Let alone a girlfriend that he would subsequently break up with. It just does not make sense to me . Also his "reported"  reactions afterwards are statements from the police who May have been complicit in his conviction. Originally on the night there were statements that he was very distressed. So I don't personally think you can draw any conclusions from that. Also we all forget he was only in his early 20s and in shock. And perhaps he did not even say half the things that are reported. It may have been part of a huge character  assassination  in order to secure a conviction. Which is why the original records that are held under PII  are so important.

[Caroline R]

Susan Battersby said the phone rang at around 3.12am. Or even earlier as she had her phone 10 minutes fast so she could have a lay in. She has no reason to lie. This is a long time before the other phone calls.

The police interview with Bamber in Wilkes book states that Mugford knew about the kitchen fight & bible. At the time this has not been reported in the media. If correct it can only mean
one thing.

Really? I guess you haven't read about the cheque book fraud then?