The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.

[grahameb]

Hello Nickos  best comment I can make is 

What even this?:

Neville answered the phone that evening before 10am. He was apparently short & the caller said it sounded like she had interrupted an argument. Had Jeremy been upsetting people ? If so it is doubtful Nevill will ask him back over a few hours later.

Pure conjecture.

[susan]

Grahame think part of the quote is correct but the bit about Jeremy upsetting people I guess not more like the discussion of the foster care for the twins.  Adam often adds bits to original posts that suits his scenario If the cap fits Adam will wear it or maybe if the suit fits Adam would wear it

[susan]

Adam you got all red cards for that post

[grahameb]

I wonder why Jeremy didn't have a key to WHF? Both my sons have a key to our house although they live elswhere.

[susan]

Grahame  I was led to believe that when the new front door was fitted it came with two keys which is the norm.  Ralph and June had one and the other was held by Barbara Wilson.  Not sure about keys to the backdoor I suspect one left inside in lock the other either lost or hid in shed

[maggie]

Grahame  I was led to believe that when the new front door was fitted it came with two keys which is the norm.  Ralph and June had one and the other was held by Barbara Wilson.  Not sure about keys to the backdoor I suspect one left inside in lock the other either lost or hid in shed

Hi Susan, you are probably right about the keys but as Barbara Wilson carried her key with her I imagine they were often a one key family.

I think you will find the back door was the front door, if you see what I mean?

[maggie]

Agree with your answers to Adam's post Caroline.
Would like to add that Neil was not in the Army, he was in the RAF and was trained as a fighter pilot.  The training he undertook would have been rigorous as he had to learn Navigation by the stars etc.  He would be trained how to deal if he came down in enemy territory but wouldn't be trained for combat the way and Army man would be.  I know the moves he would have been taught as my Dad taught them to me when I was a teenager.  A tie was a necessary article of clothing for some of these moves to be successful, don't believe Sheila was wearing one and cannot for a moment imagine Nevill sticking his fingers in the eyes of his beloved daughter, would imagine he would choose to die rather than do such a thing.

[susan]

Maggie I thought an outside door was located in what I call the laundry room.  Maybe I am mistaken but houses of that size usually have at least two outside doors.  I had read that the spare key to this door was kept hidden outside and so well hidden was lost.

[maggie]

Maggie I thought an outside door was located in what I call the laundry room.  Maybe I am mistaken but houses of that size usually have at least two outside doors.  I had read that the spare key to this door was kept hidden outside and so well hidden was lost.

O goodness, now I'm confused, I thought they had the front door at the front  which they didn't use and then the back door, by the laundry room was what they used and called the front door, that was the one they always used.?

[susan]

Maggie I have not got a clue about the doors just heard you previously talk about the new front door.  Sure somebody on the forum will know unless I start googling.

[maggie]

Maggie I have not got a clue about the doors just heard you previously talk about the new front door.  Sure somebody on the forum will know unless I start googling.

The door which was sledge hammered was at the back of the house, but I am pretty certain they used that door as their front door and called it the front door.  Don't think they really used the grand front door very much, if at all. 

[Jan]

There seem to be two quite distinct groups here. Those who believe that JB is innocent but are still asking questions and are still quite open to establishing as much factual evidence as possible. And those who believe he is guilty and seem very closed to any other explanation other than the one that they have decided is true. I think it is quite important to stand back and realise that IF he is innocent then the character assassinations , evidence  given by certain people and the selection of evidence handed over by EP from the second file only may not be reliable. Therefore to use all these in arguments is flawed. I cant understand people who keep posting when they have decided exactly what has happened and are not willing to take into account evidence that is out there but just did not appear in court at the time . They are willing to believe that JB is an evil liar - but that no one else involved also could be telling lies or be motivated by money. Which seems a bit illogical to me . IMO  

[susan]

Hi jansus  Excellent post.  The posters on the forum who think Jeremy Bamber is innocent are all the time trying to find something that will help him gain his freedom.  The posters who think he is guilty are not happy that he is serving life in prison they seem to want to discredit him further and point out what an evil person he is.  Now he is serving life what other kind of punishment are they looking to inflict on him are they not happy with the sentence given. The theories are being posted up of what happened what difference does it make to them he was found GUILTY in a Court of Law.

[Jane]

There seem to be two quite distinct groups here. Those who believe that JB is innocent but are still asking questions and are still quite open to establishing as much factual evidence as possible. And those who believe he is guilty and seem very closed to any other explanation other than the one that they have decided is true. I think it is quite important to stand back and realise that IF he is innocent then the character assassinations , evidence  given by certain people and the selection of evidence handed over by EP from the second file only may not be reliable. Therefore to use all these in arguments is flawed. I cant understand people who keep posting when they have decided exactly what has happened and are not willing to take into account evidence that is out there but just did not appear in court at the time . They are willing to believe that JB is an evil liar - but that no one else involved also could be telling lies or be motivated by money. Which seems a bit illogical to me . IMO

Jansus, I have long said the same as you. I would further that by saying whilst those who believe him guilty refuse to accept new facts they are VERY willing to throw into their mix, as FACT, every unproven supposition they can lay their hands on.

[grahameb]

Grahame  I was led to believe that when the new front door was fitted it came with two keys which is the norm.  Ralph and June had one and the other was held by Barbara Wilson.  Not sure about keys to the backdoor I suspect one left inside in lock the other either lost or hid in shed

If Barbara Wilson had a key to the front door then is it a silly question to ask why the cops didn't go to her first before knocking the back door down?