The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.

[lookout]

I smelled it straight away with my sticky beak.

[Caroline R]

Depends what you call limited knowledge. I am no Mike Tesco but have read a good book, internet articles, Mugfords statements, Jeremys police interview transcripts, appeal judgement judgements etc. Hopefully this board will teach me more. The views on this thread regarding those  few minutes inside the house are interesting.

Where did you read Julie's statement?

[Neil]

Because he may have thought she was intending to just shoot herself!!

What?!  You don't think that he would have tried to stop her killing herself? 

The sequence of events, as suggested by Martin is quite simply, unbelievable.

[Adam]

It is NOT a fact at all, give that we don't know when the call(s) were made or how they fit into the course of events. As for your other question, yes, I do know but no one here is going to do your research for you if you can't be arsed to do it yourself!!

Ringing Jeremy & the police. Words such as 'gun' & 'crazy'. There was only one time when those phone calls were made, when Sheila was going crazy with a gun.

[Adam]

Where did you read Julie's statement?

Uk Justice forum.

[Caroline R]

What?!  You don't think that he would have tried to stop her killing herself? 

The sequence of events, as suggested by Martin is quite simply, unbelievable.

Of course BUT June may have been talking to her at the time while he slipped away to make the call. This is why I HATE scenario's. Everyone has an opinion but we can;t KNOW what any of them actually did/didn't do. You don't have to agree with me or Martin, it's just 'opinion'.

[Adam]

Maybe there were no calls made !

[Caroline R]

Maybe there were no calls made !

And maybe there were!!

[grahameb]

if he gave time of death as 8 am then how could JB have been convicted in the first place?

Exactly. That has been my contention right the way through.

[Neil]

Of course BUT June may have been talking to her at the time while he slipped away to make the call. This is why I HATE scenario's. Everyone has an opinion but we can;t KNOW what any of them actually did/didn't do. You don't have to agree with me or Martin, it's just 'opinion'.

That sounds even more implausible.

[grahameb]

Thank you.

Well I have read the Wilkes book as well as lots of information on the internet & Bambers own site. But have only read one reason, from a Daily Mail reporter, which seemed perfectly feasible if Jeremy was the killer. There is no reason why Sheila would move the phone. Guess I will never know.

I think that because of the murders we may tend to read into the case a lot of things that may have been done quite innocently as we all do things like move things from place to place. But in actual fact such things aren't really of any significance at all. So our finding reasons for them might really serve no purpose at all?

[Adam]

Hi Adam. In a previous post you suggested that Sheila was led into the main bedroom to be killed? Is this plausible? Tests showed she wasn't drugged. Would she really not have fought for her life? Besides,if JB had killed her prior to his telephone call to police,can you perhaps explain to us why she was not found to be in a state of rigor mortis when discovered by EP (the other victims were) and also the fact that the first officers on the scene stated that Sheila had blood running from the corners of her mouth? Does this not suggest to you that she died much much later than the other victims,at a time when JB couldn't possibly have been present?

If Sheila was asleep, Jeremy, may have woken her up & told her she needed to go into the main bedroom. Sheila would have trusted her brother.  Once in the bedroom Jeremy could have pushed her to the floor, held her down & shot her. That would only take a few seconds to do. Sheila would not be expecting this to happen & may have also been half asleep.

Answered the other bits earlier.

[grahameb]

If Sheila was asleep, Jeremy, may have woken her up & told her she needed to go into the main bedroom. Sheila would have trusted her brother.  Once in the bedroom Jeremy could have pushed her to the floor, held her down & shot her. That would only take a few seconds to do. Sheila would not be expecting this to happen & may have also been half asleep.

Answered the other bits earlier.

It really is all speculation isn't it.

[Jane]

If Sheila was asleep, Jeremy, may have woken her up & told her she needed to go into the main bedroom. Sheila would have trusted her brother.  Once in the bedroom Jeremy could have pushed her to the floor, held her down & shot her. That would only take a few seconds to do. Sheila would not be expecting this to happen & may have also been half asleep.

Answered the other bits earlier.

But what would have been Jeremy's motive other than the greed it was SAID to have been because nothing else could be laid against him. Weigh this up against the FACT that he had no "previous" compared with the FACT of Sheila's mental state and a life spiralling out of her control and IMO, it's much more likely to have been Sheila.

[maggie]

If Sheila was asleep, Jeremy, may have woken her up & told her she needed to go into the main bedroom. Sheila would have trusted her brother.  Once in the bedroom Jeremy could have pushed her to the floor, held her down & shot her. That would only take a few seconds to do. Sheila would not be expecting this to happen & may have also been half asleep.

Answered the other bits earlier.

He could have done but I am curious Adam how you can believe that a man with no personality disorders could have carried out such a crime.  He had no history of violence at all, no abuse of girlfriends or fighting etc., he was known to hate killing animals and was seen as a gentle person or in others words as a whimp. How could such a person kill the 5 closest members of his family in cold blood?