Actor, Don Hawkins - Bambi rang me before massacre about hearing gods voice...

[JackiePreece]

So true Lookout

[guest154]

New? 

[scipio_usmc]

So please tell me how information gets to court and who decides if it's "relevant" and to whom? Also, who decides what constitutes "hearsay".

If there is a dispute between the parties then a judge decides based on the law.  That is why a judge is the trier of law.  If a party doesn't like the decision of the judge it can be appealed. Sometiems that appeal can take place before the final disposition of the case other times it is after a final order is entered. If you don't raise an objection at the time though you lose it you can't raise issues on appeal not raised below.   

Information gets into court primarily by testimony.  In an adversarial system the witnesses are subject to examination by both sides.  That is why defendants often do no testify they don't want to be subject to cress examination.  Documents can be used to some extent but which documents and how they are authenticated is heavily regulated by the rules of evidece/rules of court.  You have to provide a foundation and authentication for most evidence. 

So imagine something like this isf he really made such claim and were told to provide it in court:

Hawkins: 

Sheila Cafell callled me before the murders and said she heard God's voice telling her to do things.

Cross examination:

When did you meet her?

How did she have your phone number?

Did you speak often?

What was your relationship with her?

On what date did she call you and tell you this

Why did she call you that day, what was the purpose of her call?

What did she say his voice was telling her to do?

Did she indicate that she did any of the things God was telling her to do?

When else did you speak with her during the year prior to hear death?

That is just a small sample of the kind of questioning he would undergo to test his claims and see if the supposed claims have any significance at all.

I know someone who says God speaks to her and even gives her advice of how to live but that doesn't mean God tells her to hurt anyone. On the contrary he supposedly tells her to live a good life.  She also claims to see angels...

Naturally most people don't believe her but there are a few zealots who do. 

 

   

[nugnug]

i agrea with you scorpio much as it pains me to say that.

its not a sighn that she was likely kill anyone neccasarly.

[scipio_usmc]

i agrea with you scorpio much as it pains me to say that.

its not a sighn that she was likely kill anyone neccasarly.

Which could be the reason why the defense did not try to use him IF he did make such a claim though it could be that the defense did not find him credible or worse they found out he was prepared to say something harmful like God was telling her to be kind to people.  It is easy to attack lawyers over the choices they make but it is invalid criticism unless you have all the facts at hand that went into such decision and based on those facts the decision was unsound.

[JackiePreece]

Tyler not sure if this is correct




Patricia Quinn and Don Hawkins and their son


Patricia Quinn
as Magenta

 

   
 

Patricia Quinn was born in Belfast, Ireland, on May 28th 1944. Her career began in the theatre and then studying at London's Drama Centre in the very early 60's. She met her first husband, Don Hawkins, an actor and director, in 1963, at the age of 19. The later went on to marry and produce one child, their son Quinn in 1971.

Their relationship was one that lasted two decades, until Patricia left Don for Robert Stevens.
If rumours are anything to go by, Patricia was a 'serial cheater' during her first marriage, conducting affairs, including one confirmed affair with Meatloaf during the making of Rocky Horror!

To many fans she is the only "real" Magenta, with her seductive voice and distinctive red hair. Pat has kept Rocky Horror in her life with conventions and other things like that. Her and Richard O' Brien have grown close over the years after doing Rocky Horror and Shock Treatment. The famous Rocky Horror Lips belong to Pat and she is known as "The Lips"., although the voice is Richard O'Brien.

Pat was a Playboy bunny

Patricia is very, very talented although she had only five lines in Rocky Horror.

1. Your lucky, he's lucky, I'm lucky, we're all lucky

2. Come along the master doesnt like to be kept waiting.....

3. I grow weary of this world....

4. But I thought you liked them they liked you

5. Master dinner is prepared.

(she then had her wonderful ending speach)

Patricia went on to appear in Shock Treatment with her closest friend and Rocky costar, Richard O'Brien.

Richard and Patricia met in late 1972. They have been very close friends for 29 years, and they still share the same raucous personality. Richard introduced Patricia to pot while filming Rocky Horror....

They are very much like brother and sister, and get on with each other's families, Richard's children, Linus, 28, Joshua, 16 and Amelia, 10, love Pat like an Aunt and Pat's son, Quinn, now 29, loves Richard like his uncle.

Patricia is also a very dignified widow, and although losing her husband in November 1995, affected her deeply, she smiled through it all and often laughs it off, knowing her hubbie wouldnt want her to be down.


The son


QUINN HAWKINS
Widely regarded as an exceptional advocate, Quinn's is sought after by defence and prosecution solicitors in equal measure. As a leading criminal junior he specialises in substantial cases involving complex areas of fact, law and public interest in the Crown Court, High Court and Court of Appeal.  Solicitors remark that he is "extremely client friendly with the ability to make a client feel at ease while at the same time developing a good professional rapport" and that "his experience of prosecuting complex cases provides him with an obvious advantage in his tactical approach when defending a case".



Crime

Serious and organized crime, fraud and confiscation - "He has an ability to work quickly through complex material and focus on the real issues in the case".  Quinn appears in cases of homicide, serious robbery, rape and drug conspiracies. In recent years his practice has focused on defending in large-scale fraud and money laundering cases. In addition, he has significant experience of confiscation and restraint. Having appeared in one of the more significant confiscation appeals in recent years (R v Whittington) he is often called on to provide advice to clients facing confiscation proceedings and all related matters. 

The nature of Quinn's practice is such that he has developed the particular skills of presenting complex expert evidence to a jury. By way of example, in a recent case he was called upon to examine 6 experts in the fields of DNA, Ballistics, Podiatry and Cell Site.

In addition to his appellate work Quinn is instructed in matters of Judicial Review and has represented RBS, charitable organisations such as the Refugee Council and the Metropolitan Police in proceedings in the Crown and High Court resisting requests for disclosure of confidential documents on the basis of relevance and professional privilege. The most recent of these was a request by the Court for 'third party material' in a people trafficking case. Much of the material was subject to legal professional privilege.

Quinn has also developed a niche practice of representing high profile defendants including former MP's and Professional Tennis Players on criminal charges with a high rate of success.



Criminal Regulatory

As a natural extension of Quinn's skills as an advocate and his extensive experience and abilities in the handling expert witnesses he is developing a practice in the field of criminal regulatory. He has advised in cases of corporate manslaughter. One particular case arose as a result of death allegedly caused by employees of a large construction company on a site in West London. Quinn was called on to advise on issues of causation following the service of a number of expert reports provided by both sides.



Other

Other non-criminal work includes licensing hearings and appeals and police disciplinary hearings.



Appointments

CPS grade 4 prosecutor (also included in Serious Crime Group and Proceeds of Crime Specialist panels).


 

[Reader]

Google locates where Quinn Hawkins works in London. He presumably knows how to contact his father.