Tesko files - David Boutflour, killed old lady in road traffic accident, news...

[packagebuilder]

Maggie you wax one leg and I will wax the other

  can you both wax extra parts   

[Patti]

  can you both wax extra parts   

Yelp!!!! LOL................

[Caroline R]

Hi Vic  I asked that very question on here a few days ago why would Ann and Peter have a need to have a panic button fitted after JB was convicted and sent to prison for life. IMO the panic button was fitted prior to the murders at WHF.

The alarm was fitted after the murders Susan, it wasn't fitted for Ann and Peter. EP organised for it to be fitted and perhaps in instances where there has been a violent crime, it is/was police procedure to have a PB installed along with the alarm system.

[tyler]

Re: the panic button. I am pretty certain that it was NOT mentioned at trial. As Caroline says,it isn't mentioned in anybody's statements either. I also haven't seen any mention of it on the Bamber website either,but vidvic says it is mentioned? If anybody finds it could they please post it up?

[Alias]

I can see a reason to install a burglery alarm at WHF after the murders, the house standing there empty - but I can´t see why a panic button would be installed, no one was there to push it!

[Lugg]

I heard Shelia had an Abortion... June was very unhappy with it...

I don't know if David Boutflour was knocking off with Shelia.. Sheila is not blood related to David or to the Bambers?

If I was 22 in the 1980's would like to knock off with Ann Easton. 

Jeremy was a target of trial by media.. and the dodgy silencer evidence by police or Alleged been planted by David Boutflour... to get the farm and caravan park... 

or even cover-up their "Alleged" secret relationship, was Sheila told by David to take out the Bambers is a lover's killings were they both live in the house together? but used Jeremy to deflect the media.

Actually I don't remember much of the trial reported by the media except after the verdict. What I think though is that crimes of this nature should be conducted outside the district where they were committed. But I honestly don't think Bamber was tried by media? Of course it may be that I just don't remember that it was?

[Caroline R]

Re: the panic button. I am pretty certain that it was NOT mentioned at trial. As Caroline says,it isn't mentioned in anybody's statements either. I also haven't seen any mention of it on the Bamber website either,but vidvic says it is mentioned? If anybody finds it could they please post it up?

I'd be interested in seeing it too. I have scoured the internet, looked in all the books I have and there is no mention of it. I know it's not in any of the statements (on here at least) because I'd have remembered it. I would be the first to say "Fair enough" if someone could provide one piece of evidence to prove it was there post murders.

[Caroline R]

I can see a reason to install a burglery alarm at WHF after the murders, the house standing there empty - but I can´t see why a panic button would be installed, no one was there to push it!

But it wasn't intended to always be empty and it may have been installed as a matter of police procedure after a violent crime. Look at it another way Alias, why would a panic alarm be installed without an alarm system?

[susan]

Morning Caroline

I cannot dispute your theory that  the panic button was installed after the murders at WHF as I can only take the word of other posters that it was in situ at the time of the murders I have no evidence to prove it.  I have been thinking long and hard (quite unusual for me) what benefit it would be to Ann and Peter to say it was or indeed what benefit to Jeremy to say it was installed post murders.  I can actually answer this question myself but will refrain as it would be just speculation.  I will just keep an open mind but I am inclinded to agree with you in that why was it not mentioned at Trial but then again lots of stuff were not mentioned at Trial.  I rest my case.

[Jane]

Morning Caroline

I cannot dispute your theory that  the panic button was installed after the murders at WHF as I can only take the word of other posters that it was in situ at the time of the murders I have no evidence to prove it.  I have been thinking long and hard (quite unusual for me) what benefit it would be to Ann and Peter to say it was or indeed what benefit to Jeremy to say it was installed post murders.  I can actually answer this question myself but will refrain as it would be just speculation.  I will just keep an open mind but I am inclinded to agree with you in that why was it not mentioned at Trial but then again lots of stuff were not mentioned at Trial.  I rest my case.

Morning Susan. I doesn't take a huge stretch of imagination to understand why a burglar alarm would be fitted into an empty house in an isolated area, but a panic button!!!! Would this be so a burglar could call for assistance if their felony was disturbed :D

Naturally I can only speculate on why and when the Bamber system was installed but I can say catagorically that my friends' was installed because of a real and serious threat to them all. Theirs was a bog standard three bedded semi with no other burglar alarm system. I don't know the logistics but I imagine the panic buttton acted like a 999 call which went straight to the main police station. The panic alarm was disconnected as soon as the threat was removed. This would seem to indicate thatn they are only installed for individual and specific reasons and for general purposes a burglar alarm is thought to be sufficient protection.

[susan]

Hello april dear

I agree why install a panic button in an empty house post murders at WHF I can understand an alarm system but not a panic button. I am yet to be convinced that Ralph did not activate the panic button after phoning Jeremy I seem to think two police cars were deployed from different stations to WHF on the fateful night.  I suspect it would not be to helpful for EP to disclose this or for the prosecution to bring it up at Trial.  Sadly we will never know.   Why would Jeremy say a panic button was not in situ at the time of the murders none of it makes sense to me.

[Jane]

Hello april dear

I agree why install a panic button in an empty house post murders at WHF I can understand an alarm system but not a panic button. I am yet to be convinced that Ralph did not activate the panic button after phoning Jeremy I seem to think two police cars were deployed from different stations to WHF on the fateful night.  I suspect it would not be to helpful for EP to disclose this or for the prosecution to bring it up at Trial.  Sadly we will never know.   Why would Jeremy say a panic button was not in situ at the time of the murders none of it makes sense to me.

Susan, it may be possible that Nevill didn't feel able to share the seriousness of the situation. June, I imagine was always "anxious" and such knowledge may have alarmed her, then there were ongoing concerns regarding Sheila's health, future, children. He may not have told Jeremy about because Jeremy didn't live at the farm so it didn't really concern him.

[susan]

april  I agree that Ralph would have kept things back from June that would cause her worry but had a panic button  been fitted Jeremy would know.  What was the nonsense that Jeremy pressed it to see the response time this was supposed to have been said I think by Barbara Wilson.  Are you surprised I am confused but I never believed that story anyway not quite that daft

[campion]

Referring to Lugg's post #111, when was it first reported in the Press ( local or national),  that relatives of the deceased family, had discovered in the guncupboard at WHF, a silencer ( or sound moderator), which was claimed that EP had "overlooked"?

[Caroline R]

Morning Susan. I doesn't take a huge stretch of imagination to understand why a burglar alarm would be fitted into an empty house in an isolated area, but a panic button!!!! Would this be so a burglar could call for assistance if their felony was disturbed :D

Naturally I can only speculate on why and when the Bamber system was installed but I can say catagorically that my friends' was installed because of a real and serious threat to them all. Theirs was a bog standard three bedded semi with no other burglar alarm system. I don't know the logistics but I imagine the panic buttton acted like a 999 call which went straight to the main police station. The panic alarm was disconnected as soon as the threat was removed. This would seem to indicate thatn they are only installed for individual and specific reasons and for general purposes a burglar alarm is thought to be sufficient protection.

If such an alarm was fitted, there would be at least one reference to it. Don't you think it would have been mentioned in relation to the phone call to Jeremy from Ralph by at least one person? And with all Robert and Ann's weird and wonderful theories, neither mention the personal alarm in any of them? There is no evidence that it was there and until, there is, I will remain sceptical. It seems Jeremy also recollection that it was fitted after and as a regular visitor, I think he would know. However, I am still waiting to be 'proven' wrong.