Jeremy got to scene (whf) much faster than people give him credit for...

[mike tesko]

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He called police (fact) at 3:36am, his call lasted 11 minutes, and by 3:52am, Jeremy was driving up along pages lane to meet the police (occupants of CA07) - it took him only 5 minutes to get out of his cottage, into his car en route to the scene, including having to slow down as he was driving along the Tollesbury road when a police car with flashing lights  overtook him en route to the same place...

I think those 5 minutes it took him to travel from Head Street to Pages lane, demonstrates how keen he was to react once police told Jeremy to go to the scene. Another thing, police told Jeremy not to approach the farmhouse if he got to the scene before them, which adequately explains why he slowed down to allow the patrol car to overtake him, otherwise Jeremy would have arrived at the scene just ahead of the police...

[mike tesko]

For too long now, people have been fooled into thinking that Jeremy deliberately took his time getting from his cottage to the scene, but the facts speak for themselves, he tried to get there as fast as he could once he was told police had been deployed to the scene...

[mike tesko]

He supposedly slow timed in getting to the scene because of his guilt, so what are those same people now going to be saying now that it can be proven he dashed to the scene when police instructed him to do so?

I suppose this makes him innocent, then...

[Alias]

Personally I have never seen any problem with the pace at which Jeremy arrived at WHF that night. As you say, Mike, the police MOST LIKELY gave him instructions not to approach the farm alone.
Either that or he could have simply been afraid to go there alone, who wouldn´t be.
Can´t see what difference it makes and what it indicates at all, but it is often used against Jeremy.

[Steve_uk]

That may well be Mike,but there is evidence that Jeremy verbally obstructed an early entry into White House Farm whilst he hoped and prayed Sheila had bled to death by the time the storming took place.

[mike tesko]

That may well be Mike,but there is evidence that Jeremy verbally obstructed an early entry into White House Farm whilst he hoped and prayed Sheila had bled to death by the time the storming took place.

He did no such thing...

Whats more, how can someone who is instantly killed by the shot under the chin bleed to death - are you now trying to concede that Sheila was alive after she had been shot, but died later? Worse still, are you conceding tbat Sheila was still alive and bleeding to death after being shot twice?

There, there, now the worm has started to turn and some truth must have started to sink in...

Suddenly, you don't sound too sure at all at what stage Sheila actually died...

[tyler]

That may well be Mike,but there is evidence that Jeremy verbally obstructed an early entry into White House Farm whilst he hoped and prayed Sheila had bled to death by the time the storming took place.

And when the raid team did eventually storm the building,Sheila WAS still bleeding.And yet JB is supposed to have killed her between 12 and 3am ??

[jim ignatowski]

...and the EVIDENCE at the Trial was the telephone call from JB to the Police took place at least 10 minutes earlier than 03.36.
So Mike, even though I know you don't accept the accuracy of the above, on the assumption that JB made his telephone call at no later than 03.26, do you accept that, putting the matter as neutrally as possible, it is surprising that JB took so long to reach WHF in his motor car?

[Lugg]

That may well be Mike,but there is evidence that Jeremy verbally obstructed an early entry into White House Farm whilst he hoped and prayed Sheila had bled to death by the time the storming took place.

The police usually wait for daylight in these matters. Jeremy didn't obstruct anyone. It is also usual in siege situation to wait, sometimes for hours. Jeremy would have been gotten out of the way so that he didn't hinder proceedings by getting in the way. That is why he was sat in a police car.

[Lugg]

...and the EVIDENCE at the Trial was the telephone call from JB to the Police took place at least 10 minutes earlier than 03.36.
So Mike, even though I know you don't accept the accuracy of the above, on the assumption that JB made his telephone call at no later than 03.26, do you accept that, putting the matter as neutrally as possible, it is surprising that JB took so long to reach WHF in his motor car?

I wonder could you show us where you got that information from Jim? I haven't heard that before.

[Jane]

That may well be Mike,but there is evidence that Jeremy verbally obstructed an early entry into White House Farm whilst he hoped and prayed Sheila had bled to death by the time the storming took place.

Steve, who of us do you believe stupid enough to imagine that someone who shoots a person in the neck and fails to kills them, THEN fires a shot at such an angle that the bullet enters their brain, that is having previously killed four other people, can't recognize DEAD when they see it. They will NOT still be wondering, hours later, if they are dead.

[mike tesko]

...and the EVIDENCE at the Trial was the telephone call from JB to the Police took place at least 10 minutes earlier than 03.36.
So Mike, even though I know you don't accept the accuracy of the above, on the assumption that JB made his telephone call at no later than 03.26, do you accept that, putting the matter as neutrally as possible, it is surprising that JB took so long to reach WHF in his motor car?

Jeremys call to police was at 3:36am and finished at 3:47am, he arrived at the scene at 3:52am, do the maths and then tell me he took his time to get there, after bring told by the police to go there...

[jim ignatowski]

I wonder could you show us where you got that information from Jim? I haven't heard that before.
Hello Lugg
Take a look at Pa. 7 of the Court of Appeal judgment
Lugg, on the assumption that JB made his telephone call at 03.26, do you agree that, putting the matter as neutrally as possible, it is surprising that it took him so long to reach WHF in his motor car?

[tyler]

The police usually wait for daylight in these matters. Jeremy didn't obstruct anyone. It is also usual in siege situation to wait, sometimes for hours. Jeremy would have been gotten out of the way so that he didn't hinder proceedings by getting in the way. That is why he was sat in a police car.

I disagree,to a certain extent. They would wait hours if they had to IF they were communicating with someone inside.But the children's safety would have been paramount. If there was no response from the house,they would have stormed it a lot earlier than they did.That tells me either someone was alive in the house,or they at least "believed" that somebody was alive in the house.

[jim ignatowski]

Jeremys call to police was at 3:36am and finished at 3:47am, he arrived at the scene at 3:52am, do the maths and then tell me he took his time to get there, after bring told by the police to go there...

Hi Mike
I'll repeat the question
On the assumption that JB made his telephone call at 03.26, do you accept that, putting the matter as neutrally as possible, it took JB a long time to reach WHF in his motor car?