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Offline susan

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« Reply #105 on: March 06, 2013, 04:46:PM »
april you know me too well ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #106 on: March 06, 2013, 04:47:PM »
Phew! Am I glad you cleared that up. I wondered why everyone down here in the south are always saying that Scotland is full of loonies. ::)  ;D
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« Reply #107 on: March 06, 2013, 04:55:PM »


And were not all unbalanced either,,,NN.

Who?  You, me, Sheila, Maggie?  My post makes ref to all of us. 


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« Reply #108 on: March 06, 2013, 04:57:PM »
Maggie/Lugg  When Scotland become a Free Nation Again no passports for you two ;) you will never get chance to Haste Ye Back my Bonnie Laddie and Lassie ;D ;D ;D ;D or loon and dame. ;D

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« Reply #109 on: March 06, 2013, 05:54:PM »
Maggie/Lugg  When Scotland become a Free Nation Again no passports for you two ;) you will never get chance to Haste Ye Back my Bonnie Laddie and Lassie ;D ;D ;D ;D or loon and dame. ;D
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« Reply #110 on: March 06, 2013, 06:41:PM »
Who?  You, me, Sheila, Maggie?  My post makes ref to all of us.


To the author of the post.Who else.?

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« Reply #111 on: March 06, 2013, 07:40:PM »

To the author of the post.Who else.?

Oh that's fine if its me.  But aren't you stating the bloody obvious?  Do you really think others posters need telling?  Lol...I had you down as a bit smarter than that despite being elderly and a scouser!!! ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #112 on: March 06, 2013, 07:48:PM »
How old are you lookout?
On Ilkley Moor Baht'at.

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« Reply #113 on: March 06, 2013, 08:24:PM »
How old are you lookout?



I'm as old as my tongue,,but younger than my teeth.

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« Reply #114 on: March 06, 2013, 08:29:PM »

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« Reply #115 on: March 06, 2013, 08:33:PM »
On Ilkley Moor Baht'at.

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« Reply #116 on: March 06, 2013, 08:51:PM »




Since when have I asked you,or anyone else to agree in any way with what my views are.? I couldn't care less what you or anyone thinks,,it's immaterial.

It wasn't Junes' fault that her daughter got herself pregnant at all. Sheila,at 17 would have known the whys and wherefores of sexual relationships. It would have already been discussed at school,and from other girls. Sheila would have had full knowledge of how to become pregnant,,,she wasn't that stupid.
For all we know,June may have spoken in this way,,so it's unfair of you to keep blaming the woman at every opportunity you can. I don't know how you can speak in such a way when there's little or no information pertaining to Junes methods of bringing up a family. It's totally unfair.

It would appear that it somehow reflects your own way of life the way you speak,,,or you wouldn't appear so bitter against a woman who clearly did her best in trying to bring up two children,,,not having had any experience to start with. As I've said before,,there are no manuals for this task. 
I think that both June and Neville were very lenient with Sheila when she became familiar with cannabis,,,as many parents today would shun that habit. Also the cocaine habit that they knew about,,there didn't appear to be any objections,,or if there were,it was never mentioned.

My word,,if you're as objective and bitter now,,what are you going to be like when you are OLD like me.?

Are you implying that Sheila was stupid now?

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« Reply #117 on: March 06, 2013, 08:55:PM »
Can we stick to debating please and try not to get personal.....Thank you!

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« Reply #118 on: March 06, 2013, 08:57:PM »
Sheila's behaviour was normal for a girl/woman of her age. June also did insist that Sheila terminate a pregnancy. She also miscarried.

She eventually fell on with the twins, who she adored. I dont believe for a moment that she would have killed them or Nevile. If she had, she would have did it at Maida vale, not WHF. Just my opinion.

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« Reply #119 on: March 06, 2013, 09:17:PM »
Sheila's behaviour was normal for a girl/woman of her age. June also did insist that Sheila terminate a pregnancy. She also miscarried.

She eventually fell on with the twins, who she adored. I dont believe for a moment that she would have killed them or Nevile. If she had, she would have did it at Maida vale, not WHF. Just my opinion.




Hi Andrea

I agree Sheila loved the twins, she may have also still been in love with Colin.  But, whether we like to hear it or not mothers do kill their loved ones, for one reason or an another.  It is the same in wild life too. 

Sadly Sheila did not have the children with her at Maida Vale so the likelihood of Sheila committing any crime there is not an option.  I'm not sure if you have read Colin's book, but throughout his book he refers to the relationship of Sheila and her mother.  I also get the gist that he disliked June because she had appeared to have controlled Sheila in such a way, that it made it impossible for Sheila to be happy in her company.....

I honestly don't know who killed that family that night, but I almost certain Jeremy didn't do it.  I look at Sheila and sometimes I think it is not possible for a sweet young girl like that could have killed her family....but, then I look at other mothers who have done the same thing and asked the same question....