Julie's allegation of a hitman

[Lugg]

I don't, but that was the jury's job to decide and clearly they decided that she didn't.

I rather believe that it is as you say the jury's job to decide from what they heard. But what worrys me is that they didn't hear a balanced case as they only had part of the evidence to go on?

[Lugg]

..because it's backed up indirectly by so many other witnesses,independent or otherwise.

Show me where what she said about the hitman is backed up by independent witnesses. None of her words can be backed up by others as according to her testimony he told her in private. Not only that, but why on earth would he tell the world he was going to murder his family? Like I said the jury was not in possession of all the evidence at the time. It was a matter of balanced evidence. But the balance was not there and in my opinion none of the evidence that was presented was not enough to convict JB. Again, these so called "independent" witnesses never said the same as JM.

[Bridget]

I rather believe that it is as you say the jury's job to decide from what they heard. But what worrys me is that they didn't hear a balanced case as they only had part of the evidence to go on?

And you are probably right to be worried, we all should be. Whether there is any real foundation on which to base those worries in this case remains to be seen (for me).

[Lugg]

And you are probably right to be worried, we all should be. Whether there is any real foundation on which to base those worries in this case remains to be seen (for me).

Well you may be surprised. But for me too. Because if this ever gets to be proved that this is a moj, then an awful lot of excrement is ready to hit one gigantic fan.

[Steve_uk]

Show me where what she said about the hitman is backed up by independent witnesses. None of her words can be backed up by others as according to her testimony he told her in private. Not only that, but why on earth would he tell the world he was going to murder his family? Like I said the jury was not in possession of all the evidence at the time. It was a matter of balanced evidence. But the balance was not there and in my opinion none of the evidence that was presented was not enough to convict JB. Again, these so called "independent" witnesses never said the same as JM.

..because he's a fool,he was indirectly admitting to the fire plot in his conversation with Charles Marsden and bouncing ideas off Julie which she should have taken seriously.

[Lugg]

..because he's a fool,he was indirectly admitting to the fire plot in his conversation with Charles Marsden and bouncing ideas off Julie which she should have taken seriously.

In spite of the police referring to him as a very clever man? Come on Steve you can't have it both ways. Either he is a fool or he is cunning and clever.

[Bridget]

Well you may be surprised. But for me too. Because if this ever gets to be proved that this is a moj, then an awful lot of excrement is ready to hit one gigantic fan.

I wouldn't mind betting that IF that happened it would be largely confined to a small number of scapegoat coppers of whom it will be said that they concealed their evil deeds from everyone else and are now retired anyway so problem solved. I think the most you could expect is prison sentances for a couple of them.

In spite of the police referring to him as a very clever man? Come on Steve you can't have it both ways. Either he is a fool or he is cunning and clever.

I've never agreed with the police assessment of him as clever, just a bit cleverer than them.

[Steve_uk]

In spite of the police referring to him as a very clever man? Come on Steve you can't have it both ways. Either he is a fool or he is cunning and clever.

He wasn't clever enough was he? Does one blame the effects of him being dropped on the head as a baby,did this lead to some kind of inflammation of the brain which in time would be exacerbated through cannabis and cocaine use? Such a lot of fuss over the one word answers in the lie detector test which can be manipulated,yet no clamour for Jeremy's brain to be examined which he has refused on several occasions.

[lookout]

Steve,,Jeremy was more clever than the police gave him credit for,,and that's why they didn't like him.

[Steve_uk]

Steve,,Jeremy was more clever than the police gave him credit for,,and that's why they didn't like him.

It was a scheme of which nobody could prove Jeremy was the perpetrator,but the circumstantial evidence was overwhelming against him.

[lookout]

He wasn't clever enough was he? Does one blame the effects of him being dropped on the head as a baby,did this lead to some kind of inflammation of the brain which in time would be exacerbated through cannabis and cocaine use? Such a lot of fuss over the one word answers in the lie detector test which can be manipulated,yet no clamour for Jeremy's brain to be examined which he has refused on several occasions.

Also,,if he was dropped as a baby,,it wouldn't have an effect, as a babys' head is quite malleable until the fontanelle closes to form the bony skull,,,at between 18 months and two years. There would have been no inflammation of the brain. As for the cannabis,,I doubt if he smoked enough to cause lifelong damage,,or had been smoking it that long.

[Steve_uk]

Also,,if he was dropped as a baby,,it wouldn't have an effect, as a babys' head is quite malleable until the fontanelle closes to form the bony skull,,,at between 18 months and two years. There would have been no inflammation of the brain. As for the cannabis,,I doubt if he smoked enough to cause lifelong damage,,or had been smoking it that long.

Nevertheless it's my belief that the excitement and psychosis brought about by cocaine and heavy cannabis use as described by Julie were responsible for this crime,and strange that Jeremy has rejected any kind of X-ray head examination.

[Caroline R]

Also,,if he was dropped as a baby,,it wouldn't have an effect, as a babys' head is quite malleable until the fontanelle closes to form the bony skull,,,at between 18 months and two years. There would have been no inflammation of the brain. As for the cannabis,,I doubt if he smoked enough to cause lifelong damage,,or had been smoking it that long.

You aren't qualified to make such a sweeping statement. That's a ridiculous claim!!

Sorry lookout!! You are qualified - I must be seeing thing, I thought someone else had said that 

[maggie]

Also,,if he was dropped as a baby,,it wouldn't have an effect, as a babys' head is quite malleable until the fontanelle closes to form the bony skull,,,at between 18 months and two years. There would have been no inflammation of the brain. As for the cannabis,,I doubt if he smoked enough to cause lifelong damage,,or had been smoking it that long.

Hi lookout, many people have smoked the old style cannabis, still the common cannabis of the mid 80s for much longer than Jeremy Bamber had with absolutely no ill effects. 
It's the hybrid strains of home grown cannabis introduced to the market long after 1985 which are the culprits of brain damage and psychosis, this is now the common cannabis sold on the streets.

[lookout]

You aren't qualified to make such a sweeping statement. That's a ridiculous claim!!

Caroline,,I'm assuming that the area was carpeted and not outside on concrete.