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Offline Steve_uk

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #5940 on: January 02, 2024, 07:11:PM »
Steve I think you want to tell us that this is what you suspect, but you can't quite bring yourself to do it.  Let the weight off your shoulders.
Well, I can't condemn the McCanns without either a confession or the discovery of Madeleine's body with some conclusive forensic link to them.

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #5941 on: January 02, 2024, 08:43:PM »
Well, I can't condemn the McCanns without either a confession or the discovery of Madeleine's body with some conclusive forensic link to them.
You do make it very clear where you stand on this.  Why pretend that you are on the fence? 


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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #5942 on: January 02, 2024, 11:01:PM »
Well, I can't condemn the McCanns without either a confession or the discovery of Madeleine's body with some conclusive forensic link to them.
There is no forensic link in the Luke Mitchel case or indeed in the Bamber case. What's the difference. Both are circumstantial evidence cases.

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #5943 on: January 03, 2024, 05:47:AM »
There is no forensic link in the Luke Mitchel case or indeed in the Bamber case. What's the difference. Both are circumstantial evidence cases.

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Did you watch the Roberta Glass video? It's the most detailed account yet of how there could have been a cover-up. The forensic evidence is provided by the cadaver dogs.

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #5944 on: January 03, 2024, 06:27:AM »
You do make it very clear where you stand on this.  Why pretend that you are on the fence?
No, I'm just posting an alternative point of view.  I made my position quite clear in #5948. Additionally I find it hard to believe if there was a cover-up the McCanns would visit the Pope, be interviewed by Oprah Winfrey etc. One would have thought if complicit they would avoid publicity like the plague.

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #5945 on: January 03, 2024, 08:56:AM »
No, I'm just posting an alternative point of view.  I made my position quite clear in #5948. Additionally I find it hard to believe if there was a cover-up the McCanns would visit the Pope, be interviewed by Oprah Winfrey etc. One would have thought if complicit they would avoid publicity like the plague.

They were given a spin doctor Clarence Mitchell.  Former detective Amaral has written about what he believes was British security services involvement. It's a catholic country so they probably sought to obtain empathy among the Catholic communities internationally.

Quite where the current suspect fits in all this is another matter yet to be concluded.

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #5946 on: January 03, 2024, 10:57:AM »
They were given a spin doctor Clarence Mitchell.  Former detective Amaral has written about what he believes was British security services involvement. It's a catholic country so they probably sought to obtain empathy among the Catholic communities internationally.

Quite where the current suspect fits in all this is another matter yet to be concluded.

Innocent or guilty their behaviour could be summed up with the phrase 'They've got a lot of Front'. Jimmy Saville had a lot of front. Without a body or as Steve says a forensic link it is likely to remain unresolved.

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #5947 on: January 03, 2024, 11:36:PM »
Back in the 80s I had a holiday in the Algarve and hired a motorbike and rode to Sagres, the most South Westerly point of the European continent. I can remember the rugged coastline and high cliffs.
I was reminded of this when I watched this video at 3mins 40sec.
If the McCanns are guilty they could simply have thrown Maddie's body off the cliffs, and then stage the abduction, to have something to back up in the unlikely event of the body being washed up on the rocks below.
https://youtu.be/sqdNjynWz_0?t=221

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #5948 on: January 04, 2024, 09:00:AM »
Back in the 80s I had a holiday in the Algarve and hired a motorbike and rode to Sagres, the most South Westerly point of the European continent. I can remember the rugged coastline and high cliffs.
I was reminded of this when I watched this video at 3mins 40sec.
If the McCanns are guilty they could simply have thrown Maddie's body off the cliffs, and then stage the abduction, to have something to back up in the unlikely event of the body being washed up on the rocks below.
https://youtu.be/sqdNjynWz_0?t=221
There might have been a scenario whereby Gerry or one of the Tapas 7, upon checking the infants noticed Madeleine had died as a result of an accident, the body being placed in the wardrobe until the McCanns devised a plan to conceal the truth, Gerry taking Madeleine's body to a cave adjacent to the shoreline, passing Martin Smith in the process. They would then have to retrieve the body quickly lest it had been discovered by some third party, hire the car, all in the face of media glare, drive to Sagres, dispose of the cadaver in a cavern and continue acting normally.

It's possible, but getting too much like an Agatha Christie novel for my liking.

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #5949 on: January 04, 2024, 09:59:AM »
There might have been a scenario whereby Gerry or one of the Tapas 7, upon checking the infants noticed Madeleine had died as a result of an accident, the body being placed in the wardrobe until the McCanns devised a plan to conceal the truth, Gerry taking Madeleine's body to a cave adjacent to the shoreline, passing Martin Smith in the process. They would then have to retrieve the body quickly lest it had been discovered by some third party, hire the car, all in the face of media glare, drive to Sagres, dispose of the cadaver in a cavern and continue acting normally.

It's possible, but getting too much like an Agatha Christie novel for my liking.

When was Maddie reported as last seen being alive, by someone other than the McCanns ?

If Maddie had died as a result of being over sedated, I assume it was the night before. They would of had all day to dump her body.

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #5950 on: January 04, 2024, 10:07:AM »
When was Maddie reported as last seen being alive, by someone other than the McCanns ?

If Maddie had died as a result of being over sedated, I assume it was the night before. They would of had all day to dump her body.
This is the official timeline. It's not answering your question, especially if the Tapas 7 are involved in the cover-up. https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/apr/11/madeleinemccann

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #5951 on: January 04, 2024, 12:57:PM »
All this could have been avoided by more stringent parenting. In particular to the night in question.

I would never leave my children alone sleeping in a apartment block in a foreign country, and go and drink and dine in the restaurant below. Even with checking on them.  For that matter in any kind of situation I wouldn't. These were young children not teenagers

Either get a babysitter, or modify your plans when on holiday. Simple
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #5952 on: January 04, 2024, 08:10:PM »
This is the official timeline. It's not answering your question, especially if the Tapas 7 are involved in the cover-up. https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/apr/11/madeleinemccann

If the McCanns are guilty I think they would have needed to have disposed of Maddy's body before they reporeted her missing, once the Police are involved their every move would have been watched closely.
If she was still alive at 2.30pm (according to the time stamp on the photo).
I can't see a time frame or motive.

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #5953 on: January 13, 2024, 11:01:PM »
An interesting point in the comments,of this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7ZK8tKroIs

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Overall I’m more drawn to Maddie dieing an earlier night. But the problem with this, is we have to dismiss the theory that the twins were sedated on the abduction night, ie they wouldn’t have done it again etc .
There’s little evidence, flaky and conflicting at best, she was seen the day before. I think confirming her definite last (independent) sighting is key to this whole case.

Surely this time frame below, can all be verified by checking, in house records at the resort.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/apr/11/madeleinemccann

10am: The sixth day of the McCanns' week-long holiday in the Algarve. The couple place their daughter, Madeleine and her twin siblings, Sean and Amelie, in the Ocean Club's Kids Club while they go for a walk.

12.30pm: After collecting the children, Kate and Gerry head to their apartment, 5a, on ground floor of block five of the Waterside Village Gardens, for lunch before going to the Ocean Club swimming pool.

2.29pm: The last photograph of Madeleine is taken at the pool. The camera clock reads 1.29pm but the family says it was out by one hour.

3.30pm: Children return to Kids Club.

5.30pm: Children eat dinner at Kids Club.

Could there be a plausible time frame below. For something tragic to have happened to Madeleine & Gerry then dispose of her body.

 6pm: Kate takes children back to apartment while Gerry goes to an hour-long tennis lesson.

6.30pm: Gerry asks David Payne, one of the so-called "tapas seven", to check on Kate and the children at the apartment.

7pm: Gerry returns to the apartment and the children are put to bed in the front bedroom overlooking the car park and beyond it, the street. Madeleine is placed in the single bed nearest the door. There is an empty bed against the opposite wall beneath the window. Between the two beds are two travel cots containing the twins.

7.30pm: The McCanns shower and change.

8pm: The couple share a bottle of wine together.

8.35pm: The McCanns are the first of the group to arrive at the tapas restaurant, 50 yards away from their apartment.
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