The case of Madeleine McCann

[David1819]

Police searches for possible body of Madeleine McCann in a garden in Hannover, Germany

https://m.haz.de/Hannover/Aus-der-Stadt/Verschwundene-Maddie-Polizei-durchsucht-Kleingarten-bei-Hannover

[David1819]

"Julia Meyer, a spokeswoman for the prosecutor’s office in Braunschweig, confirmed media reports on Tuesday that police investigating the case had been at the site since Monday with an excavator."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/28/madeleine-mccann-german-police-search-garden-in-hanover

[mike tesko]

Police searches for possible body of Madeleine McCann in a garden in Hannover, Germany

https://m.haz.de/Hannover/Aus-der-Stadt/Verschwundene-Maddie-Polizei-durchsucht-Kleingarten-bei-Hannover

German authorities are acting on date line and time embedded in the videos and pictures they found concealed in his motor home, and the grave of his pet dog!

Apparently the images of Madeliene are date stamped 2007, on a date it was known that he had returned to Germany from Portugal and he had rented a trailer close to his home in Hanover..

[mike tesko]

But...

It is my belief, that Christian B was an associate of 'IT wiz kid', Serge Malinka, property dealer Robert Murat and peadophile Raymon Hewlett..

[mike tesko]

When the authorities in Germany, Portugal find out who the previous owner of that large motorhome is /was, and how the suspect paid for it in either cash or cheque, and how much it was sold for, things will start to happen...

DIAGO SILVA was on the phone for half an hour with Christian B (7.32pm - 8.02pm) about an hour before Madeleine  McCann went missing. According to reports Diago Silva was a restuarant owner in Portugal. That aside for a moment, at least it's coming out now that Mathew Oldfield was telling his truth about discovering Madeliene  to be missing from the McCann Apartment when he did a 9pm check - and that Kate McCanns script can't have been true because everybody in the tapas 9 group knew Madeliene  wasn't inside apartment 5A at any stage after Mathew Oldfields 9.00pm visit. If this was a genuine abduction, the parents and their friends would not have been inventing scripts that didn't ring true. If Madeliene  was taken by some as yet unknown abductor, why was there a need to make believe that Madeliene was last seen alive when Gerald McCann did his 9.05pm check (5 minutes after Mathew had been and found Madeliene  to be missing). The exit of Jane Tanner from the tapas bar area at 9.10pm, must have been a reaction to hearing what Mathew Oldfield had said about Madeleine missing. Mathew Oldfield and Russell O'Brien left the tapas bar restuarant  at 9.20pm -9.30pm to go and find Gerald McCann. By 9.30pm, everyone had left the dining tables and gone back to block 5. Why would anyone make up such stories if Madeleine had been taken?

[David1819]

Madeleine McCann investigators 'find secret cellar' during search of allotment in Germany

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/madeleine-mccann-police-search-secret-cellar-germany-allotment-a4511811.html

[Roch]

Madeleine McCann investigators 'find secret cellar' during search of allotment in Germany

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/madeleine-mccann-police-search-secret-cellar-germany-allotment-a4511811.html

Maybe they'll find a rack of Riesling.

[mike tesko]

German authorities were hoping to discover grave of 2nd pet dog suspect had in 2007, with the likelihood that digital evidence linking him to Madeliene McCann disappearence, or some other form of corroborating evidence, that he kept victims, tortured them, and killed them in a cellar located in the area of the allotments...

[mike tesko]

Digital evidence was recovered from the grave of the suspects 1st pet dog, which included disks and memory sticks. The animal and the evidence were buried beneath large rocks /stones...

In the last search, police took away a large amount of rocks and stone , suggesting that the suspect may have concealed additional digital evidence, or bodies beneath the 2nd pet dogs grave...

And...

The possibility that DNA evidence may be present on breeze blocks which linked the cellar now being linked to the Madeliene McCann case..

[mike tesko]

German police took away breeze blocks which formed the shell of the concealed/hidden cellar - purpose, to try and locate victims DNA on the surfaces of any internal surfaces (of the same) of/on these breeze blocks, in view of known DNA profiles, including Madeliene McCann, as well of other possible victims...

[mike tesko]

But...

[guest29835]

I hope not to post too much about this case, and I admit I'm not well up on it, but one thing intrigues me.

Is there any evidence that would tell me that the abduction scenario is either impossible or implausible?  I did watch a video once in which the Portuguese lead detective from the Polícia Judiciária stated that abduction was "materially impossible", but when I listened to his reasons, I have to say I wasn't overly impressed.  He left me with the distinct impression that he is the type - quite typical of police officers all over - who arrives at a conclusion and then looks for the evidence to support it, and I came away with a better appreciation of why the British authorities had decided to involve themselves and give oversight.

I am inclined towards believing the parents.  Could one of you who doesn't believe them kindly tell me, in very brief terms, what it is I am not seeing?  What makes abduction "materially impossible"?  A bullet point précis is fine.

[mike tesko]

I am inclined towards believing the parents.  Could one of you who doesn't believe them kindly tell me, in very brief terms, what it is I am not seeing?  What makes abduction "materially impossible"?  A bullet point précis is fine.

Please, pause for a moment and reflect - why have the parents, and their friends who are members of the 7/9 tapas group, given conflicting accounts regarding when Madeliene McCanns  disappearance was first alerted to, or mentioned?

Clear evidence exists, to suggest that the parents, a parent, and other persons of interest, have all deliberately lied about the very first occasion that anybody/ everybody knew that Madeliene  was missing from apartment 5A....

9pm..
9.15pm...
9.20pm...
9.30pm..
9.45pm...
10.00pm?

[mike tesko]

In my opinion, based on my knowledge and experience in crime, criminality, police, the prosecuting authorities, and judiciary, I know with 100% certainty, that the McCann parents are not telling the truth about the date Madeliene  went missing!

She actually was removed from the McCann apartment (5A), at the end of 1st May 2007, not at 10pm, on evening of 3rd May 2007..

[guest29835]

Mike,

Obviously I respect your view and don't wish to disrupt this thread, but the question I am asking is specific:

What piece of evidence tells me that the abduction theory is "materially impossible"?

If nobody can answer, that's fine, but if so, I really think you should admit it.  If I was a lawyer prosecuting the McCanns, I would make a point of admitting to the jury that abduction is not materially impossible and the jury must weigh the theory in and consider it with regard to the evidence.

That's the honest thing to do.